Re:Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream
by kcplate on Saturday February 11, 2023 @03:06PM
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Even a gaffe doesn’t change the core strategic value, it only adds another variable to consider as part of the possible blowback of the operation.
Regardless, it’s apparent that even with a Biden gaffe in the mix, if the US was responsible it was done in a way that preserved enough mystery to minimize the blowback.
Re:Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream
by smcl on Saturday February 11, 2023 @03:37PM
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Right, this is what I'm saying. The situation is anything but clear and I don't think Biden's comments that day tell us anything concrete about this one way or another, and I think it's a mistake that some people think it does.
If the USA didn't commit this, then through their various covert actions over the last half-century they only have themselves to blame for the suspicion that it was down to them.
Re:Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream
by kcplate on Saturday February 11, 2023 @09:37PM
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I don’t think the gaffe proves it on its own, it’s the gaffe comment, the fact that the US policy towards Russia/Ukraine directly benefited from it’s destruction, there was bi-partisan opposition to the pipeline, and our history in such things that make me believe the US probably did it.
As President Obama famously supposedly said: “Never estimate Joe’s ability to fuck something up”
More realistic is the old man who has famously delivered gaffe after gaffe, who has repeatedly stumbled on his speeches and said dumb shit, said something a bit inelegant that everyone's now seizing on like a bunch of qanoners baking the latest q-drop on 8chan