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Re: by mannerheim on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @07:19PM (#34717803)
I know nothing of him, but given that there's an entire paragraph about Jens Stoltenberg where almost every sentence is just completely factually wrong in a way that could be verified to be wrong with a look at the first paragraph on his Wikipedia page, I'm not inclined to take what he says seriously.

I mean, par for the course for modern journalism, I suppose.

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Re: by jessaustin on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @10:27PM (#34719388)
Yeah, the idea that he was involved in the American war in Vietnam seems far-fetched. Perhaps this is a confusion with some other, older Stoltenberg?
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Re: by vintermann on Thursday February 09, 2023 @05:16AM (#34721910)
Likely. Jens's father was Thorvald Stoltenberg, a powerful Labour politician working in foreign policy most of his life. He was allegedly trying to negotiate between the US and Vietnam.
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Re: by redbar0n on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:14AM (#34752062)
Yes. Hersh possibly confused Jens with his father Thorvald Stoltenberg. Who travelled to North-Vietnam in 1970 to negotiate between them and USA, and who was commended for his negotiating skills by the am. intel community in a declassified rapport from 1980.

See my other comment for quotes and sources.

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Re: by jessaustin on Thursday February 23, 2023 @02:09PM (#34914938)
HN favorite Mark Ames has another theory about Stoltenberg fils that wouldn't contradict TFA: perhaps even his teenage war protest was of the "observe then snitch" variety?

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/162420098079862374...

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Re: by smsm42 on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:58AM (#34720593)
WTF, he's born in 1959. That makes him 16 by the time the war ended? How can a professional journalist make a claim like that?
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Re: by redbar0n on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:13AM (#34752059)
Hersh possibly confused Jens with his father Thorvald Stoltenberg. Who travelled to North-Vietnam in 1970 to negotiate between them and USA, and who was commended for his negotiating skills by the am. intel community in a declassified rapport from 1980.

See my other comment for quotes and sources.

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Re: by redbar0n on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:12AM (#34752051)
> "Today, the supreme commander of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg ... He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War."

During the Vietnam War (1955-1975) Stoltenberg (born 1959) was -4 to 16 years old..

Hersh possibly confused Jens with his father Thorvald Stoltenberg. Who travelled to North-Vietnam in 1970 to negotiate between them and USA, and who was commended for his negotiating skills by the am. intel community in a declassified rapport from 1980.

Links/sources follow:

«Thorvald Stoltenberg and Reiulf Steen visited Hanoi in 1970.»

https://vietnamkrigen-wordpress-com.translate.goog/2010/02/2...

«In a new biography of Thorvald Stoltenberg, it is described how Norway brokered peace between the parties in the Vietnam War at the end of the 1960s.»

https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/Pk947/n...

«Defense Minister Thorvald Stoltenberg was praised for his negotiating skills in a so far classified CIA report from 1980.«

https://www-nettavisen-no.translate.goog/nyheter/cia-vurdert...

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