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Re: by mc32 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @01:57PM (#34712925)
If this turns out to be right. And surely Russia would be an idiot to shoot itself in the foot and blow up their leverage, this is looking like a Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Re: by kibwen on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:10PM (#34713139)
The Gulf of Tonkin involved the US claiming that a US ship was fired upon as a pretense to declare war in retaliation. The idea here is that the US blew up a Russian pipeline in order to... what? Declare war on Russia in retaliation for Russia's own pipeline being destroyed? This makes no sense unless you're accusing Russia of blowing up the pipeline.
Re: by LarryMullins on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:21PM (#34713352)
For completeness, the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident was two alleged incidents. One of them probably happened and the other almost certainly didn't (admitted by Robert McNamara years later.) The first incident, the one that probably happened, was insufficient casus belli for LBJ and then conveniently for the war hawks the second incident, which never actually happened, sealed the deal two days later.

McNamara's tacit admission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODxnUrFX6k

Re: by Tepix on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:22PM (#34713377)
Blowing up the pipeline is an act of war.
Re: by kibwen on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:29PM (#34713504)
Please be precise. Who, exactly, are you alleging blew up the pipeline in order to declare war on whom? And then the elephant in the room: nobody declared war on anybody in the wake of this, so how is the possible justification for a war that did not happen being used as evidence that this event was designed to incite a war?
Re: by Tepix on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:39PM (#34715632)
From TFA:

The CIA argued that whatever was done, it would have to be covert. Everyone involved understood the stakes. “This is not kiddie stuff,” the source said. If the attack were traceable to the United States, “It’s an act of war.”

Re: by selimthegrim on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @02:08PM (#34713106)
Russia would be an idiot to start a war with Ukr…oh wait a minute
Re: by mc32 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:57PM (#34715939)
Robbing a bank is stupid... and people do it. But one usually does not use one's own check to write the hold-up note. Sure, it happens, but not typically.