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A comment on Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service's 2023 Security Report. Parent comment

Re:Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service's 2023 Security Report by girvo on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @07:43AM (#34707262)
It’s not, and hasn’t ever really been, just about Ukraine “joining” NATO, because that was never on the cards. It still isn’t, even despite all of this. There’s a lot more to it.

Also you’re incorrect in your assessment of most of the Russian elite thinking this war was a good idea, that’s just not true, or you’re making the mistake of taking statements by them at face value, which my Ukrainian/Russian extended family will be the first to tell you to be careful of.

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Re:Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service's 2023 Security Report by dmpk2k on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @08:03AM (#34707420)
"Never" is too strong: George W. Bush pushed hard for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO at the Bucharest Summit in 2008: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia
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Re:Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service's 2023 Security Report by actionfromafar on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @07:46AM (#34707286)
It also depends on what you mean by elite. The social elite in Moscow or St Petersburg does not run the show. Neither does the military. The security apparatus does.
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Re:Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service's 2023 Security Report by duxup on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @09:09AM (#34708190)
And it doesn’t appear the security forces know exactly what is going on.
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Re:Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service's 2023 Security Report by actionfromafar on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @11:05AM (#34709985)
You mean intelligence agencies? Yes, they are powerful, but all of the siloviki have the real power in Russia today.
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