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Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by kolinko on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:43AM (#34705686)
“offender” suggests undue negativity.

For me, the biggest selling point of iOS is it’s lock in - be it in browsers or the store.

My phone is the centre of my privacy, and I want it to be as solid and as safe as possible.

So far nobody developed a mobile system that is more open and just as safe and robust.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by largepeepee on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:49AM (#34705739)
>My phone is the centre of my privacy, and I want it to be as solid and as safe as possible.

If privacy was the main concern, you wouldn't be using any of the ad vendors, which includes apple.

Yes, apple does sell your data. They just don't want others to do it too.

There are plenty of smaller security focused phone vendors these days that doesn't intersect with user interest.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by kergonath on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:14AM (#34705885)
> If privacy was the main concern, you wouldn't be using any of the ad vendors, which includes apple.

That is a false equivalence.

> Yes, apple does sell your data. They just don't want others to do it too.

This badly needs a source.

> There are plenty of smaller security focused phone vendors these days that doesn't intersect with user interest.

This badly needs examples.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by shawn-butler on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @04:07AM (#34705848)
>> Yes, apple does sell your data. They just don't want others to do it too.

To whom?

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by largepeepee on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @05:03AM (#34706210)
For those curious.

Just look at the front page of the app store, literal ad right there amongst numerous locations.

Their ad revenue has been expanding since 2016, and despite them hiding exact ad revenue in their quarterly, Tim Cook has mentioned in the investor call that "advertising and analytics, apple services revenue set an all-time record of 20.8 billion in q4".

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by shawn-butler on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @07:48AM (#34707295)
Selling advertising in their own app store is not selling user data to third parties.

You are conflating lots of categories that maybe you don't quite understand. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by largepeepee on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @08:30AM (#34707709)
Oh but I do understand.

The strange part would be your weird definition of what constitutes selling user data.

According to your definition, Google isn't selling data to third parties since they now own the entire vertical integration when they bought double click back in 2008.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by kolinko on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:55AM (#34723225)
Are you a bot? Because you just replied to the word "privacy" and not the whole sentence.

I mentioned safety and solidity - meaning - I want the phone to have as few attack vectors as possible. Ads have nothing to do with this.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by largepeepee on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:24AM (#34723545)
Are you a clown because I quoted that entire sentence directly from you YET you are still complaining.

Go disagree with yourself in the mirror, not my problem.

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by nibbleshifter on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:56AM (#34705788)
GrapheneOS is more open, but also significantly more robust than iOS.
Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by kolinko on Thursday February 09, 2023 @07:58AM (#34723264)
Is there a list of vulnerabilities discovered for GrapheneOS? I couldn't find a decent summary anywhere.

I couldn't also find any source for your claim that it's more robust than iOS. Care to provide a source for that?

Re:Browsers are essential and how operating systems are hold... by nhchris on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:45AM (#34705695)
So don't install alternate app stores or side-load apps. Why do you need lock-in?