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Re:Ask HN: Are we morally obligated to give freedom to AGI? by vidarh on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @01:27AM (#34704838)
Define free will in a way that can be objectively assessed and isn't circular, yet where humans will unambiguously end up with free will and AGI won't.

Free will as anything but an illusion of agency is an absurd concept.

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Re:Ask HN: Are we morally obligated to give freedom to AGI? by verdverm on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @12:45PM (#34711736)
How much free will or "agency" do humans actually exhibit vs how much is habit or primitive brain-biology impulse and behaviors?

Why leave out animals in this analysis? They certainly have an amount of free will, preferences, emotions, and problem solving skills... varied by species, breed, and individual

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Re:Ask HN: Are we morally obligated to give freedom to AGI? by vidarh on Thursday February 09, 2023 @08:10AM (#34723389)
My argument is that there is no viable definition of free will as anything but an illusion.

In other words, I'm saying every indication we have is that we're almost certainly automatons.

As such, "free will" is not a reasonable way of distinguishing which entities are capable of giving sufficiently informed consent (not least because most of us would assign the illusion of free will to children as well, yet disagree that they're competent enough to get married).

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