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Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by WalterBright on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:33PM (#34702185)
I'd like to see the schools teach something about how free markets work. After all, we live in a free market society.

They should also teach basic accounting. (It really isn't hard, it's not much more than adding and subtracting. People really ought to know the difference between "profit" and "revenue", as they are often conflated.)

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by nsajko on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:37PM (#34702230)
> about how free markets work. After all, we live in a free market society.

Teaching about free markets is like teaching about spherical cows. But this isn't really on-topic.

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by WalterBright on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:41PM (#34702284)
> Teaching about free markets is like teaching about spherical cows.

Thanks for illustrating my point that people in American classrooms should be taught about it.

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by andybak on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:46PM (#34702340)
The post you're replying to seemed reasonable to me. A "free market" is a simplified model used to model messy reality. What exactly are you mocking?
Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by WalterBright on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:59PM (#34702534)
Newtonian Mechanics is also a simplified model. Does that mean it is as useless as spherical cows?

More to the point, in my experience the people who say free markets are some crazy extremist unworkable ideology tend to have very strange ideas about what it is. For a typical example, they'll claim a free market requires "perfect information", which is completely false. (Imperfect information is called "risk" and is factored into prices.)

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by andybak on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:04PM (#34703155)
> Does that mean it is as useless as spherical cows?

Spherical cows aren't useless though. Unless of course you mistake the map for the territory.

As with everything in economics one side thinks the other is dangerously simplifying whilst they themselves are fully aware of the nuance.

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by WalterBright on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:21PM (#34704091)
The one thing we know about economics, because of plenty of history, is that free markets work far better than any other system that's been tried. It's a consistent facet of prosperous economies.
Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by andybak on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:50PM (#34704268)
No. We know mixed economies work best. We just don't agree on the right mix.
Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by WalterBright on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @12:11AM (#34704382)
Do we know that? What we do know is the more free market an economy, the more prosperous it is.
Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by andybak on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @12:16AM (#34704405)
We're now just stating contradictory "facts" at each other.

I don't have the time, energy or expertise to marshal the evidence but I don't know anyone with all their marbles that thinks that an utterly unbounded free market with no restraints would be a good thing. I don't think you believe that either.

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by mhh__ on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @07:45PM (#34702325)
The free part is potentially dubious even if purely for reasons of pedagogically efficiency but being able to distinguish a genuine structural issue (or at least be less wrong) from merely supply&demand is something a lot of people lack.
Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by barelyauser on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @08:13PM (#34702698)
>teach something about how free markets work

Teach them about bailouts as well.

What should a teacher answer when someone makes the point that Boeing is the only airliner manufacturer in the country?

Re:Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Mon... by WalterBright on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:29PM (#34704149)
The history of airliner companies in the US is fairly complicated. There's a large governmental aspect of it, in the form of military aviation, and private aspect, the commercial aviation industry. It's intertwined.

One answer is that it is so expensive to develop a new airliner, and so expensive to set up a production line for it (each one is pretty much a "bet the company" thing), and the market for airliners is so limited, that there isn't room for many manufacturers.

As for bailouts, Boeing's competitor Airbus is funded by the European taxpayers.

This topic is more suitable for college level. In grade school, simply dissecting how a lemonade stand works is good for starters.