Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by schlomie on Monday January 16, 2012 @03:51AM
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I'm always startled when I see speculation or surprise that animals exhibit "human" behavior as though they're not just animated vegetables; for fuck sake, yes, they're sentient beings and experience all the same things we do(!). They're just pretty stupid. ;-)
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Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by eurleif on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:12AM
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Out of curiosity, believing that, are you a vegan or vegetarian? If not, how do you justify killing something that can experience being killed?
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by jpulgarin on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:18AM
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I believe animals can "experience being killed" and justify my eating of them mostly by the fact that eating them increases my productivity which helps me work more optimally towards reducing the suffering of other sentient beings. Also, I am somewhat selfish.
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by ajuc on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:54AM
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Is that even disputed, that animals can "experience being killed"? I don't doubt there are sentient animals, other than humans. For example dogs, crows, dolphins, elephants, probably tons of other. Once animal can predict future and react to it, he can't help but be sentient - otherwise how could he know what part of the future he can change, and what part is the einvironment.
Killing them to eat is IMHO justified by the same reason tiger has the right to kill his prey. We're predators (ok, omnivores, but still - we eat meat).
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by eurleif on Monday January 16, 2012 @05:03AM
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It's not 'we eat meat'. We can eat meat, but we can also choose not to. It's not God's will that we eat meat, or something.
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by ajuc on Monday January 16, 2012 @09:18AM
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Well, some bears are also omnivores, yet often they prefer meat to plants, and no vegan seems to have problems with that.
Besides - healthy diet including meat is easy and delicious. Healthy diet without meat is not trivial, and not so delicious (at least for me).
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by eurleif on Monday January 16, 2012 @02:17PM
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What's not trivial about it?
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by ajuc on Tuesday January 17, 2012 @03:10AM
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Having to remember to eat certain plants to prevent anemia and other problems.
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by martinkallstrom on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:35AM
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Animals can not only experience being killed, there are documented cases where intelligent animals like orcas and dolphins have made and carried out a decision to commit suicide.
Humans in general even justify the killing of humans in special situations, who obviously are capable of experiencing being killed. It's eating the remains that's repulsive in the case of more intelligent species like humans, dolphins or dogs, isn't it?
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by eurleif on Monday January 16, 2012 @04:42AM
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I'm ok with killing humans as part of a justified war, but I wouldn't be ok with death camps (or slaughter houses) for humans who had done nothing wrong, regardless of whether they were being eaten.
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by inoop on Monday January 16, 2012 @06:26AM
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> more intelligent species like humans, dolphins or dogs
or pigs
Re:Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of T...
by michaelcampbell on Monday January 16, 2012 @10:29AM
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"Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise." -- Eric Cartman