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Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by phendrenad2 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:46PM (#34699309)
This is simply wrong though. These printer companies will gladly sell you a printer that is entirely under your control. Nobody is forcing you to sign up for particular terms, but consumers are doing that for convenience and lower prices.

> you're free to not use their services and instead turn to the non-existent companies that will put the users over maximizing profits

This is just a strawman argument though. No company on earth is putting users over maximizing profits, but that doesn't lead logically to your conclusion that people don't have choices. People have plenty of choices, because the act of maximizing profits requires exploring and providing many ways of buying something. Some people want to pay per-page, some people want to buy a printer outright and handle maintenance themselves. Both options are available.

> Brother as a brand that doesn't do this. However, what guarantees are there that they won't?

The void in the market it would leave, and some company would (and as you can see, has) take advantage of it to provide consumers with this buying format.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by autoexec on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @04:09PM (#34699692)
> No company on earth is putting users over maximizing profits

That isn't even remotely true. Many companies are run by people who actually have morals and, even if only for selfish reasons, want customers to not hate them.

I've worked for companies that refused to do things like sell user data, knowing full well that they'd be making lots of money doing it, but knowing that it was wrong and would make customers hate them. They weren't worried that unhappy customers would flock to competitors either. One was a telecom who was the only game in town for many of their users.

It's not always and entirely a race to the bottom where companies do as little as possible for customers while charging customers as much as humanly possible and it shouldn't be, but that is how things often end up. It's why we have that cycle where good products/companies gain massive popularity by putting users over maximizing profits until someone steps in who is too greedy and suddenly users are forced to find alternatives when greed ruins yet another good thing.

There are good companies and great products that put users before maximizing profit every single day. The fact that exploitative assholes also exist doesn't mean that's how everyone behaves, or that it's how everyone should.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by phendrenad2 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @06:15AM (#34706645)
> No company on earth is putting users over maximizing profits

> That isn't even remotely true

> even if only for selfish reasons

So we're on the same page. You just repeated what I said. Companies don't put users before profits, but the act of seeking profits (the "selfish reasons" as you put it) require stopping short of some things.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by autoexec on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @08:06AM (#34707450)
Your mistake is assuming that those selfish reasons are all about profit. Other motivations may include things like having a vision of themselves or their company as actually caring for the customers they serve, refusing to compromise their products/services because they themselves (along with others they care about) are also users of them, or even purely ideological reasons (actually having some integrity). Exactly how selfish those kinds of motivations are is open to debate, but there's no need to get into philosophical arguments about whether or not mankind is capable of altruism because either way, money still isn't the motivation or goal behind it.

I promise you, there really are companies that put their users before maximizing profits. There genuinely are people who aren't obsessed with money over all else.

Re:HP bricking printers remotely if the client's credit card... by phendrenad2 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:25PM (#34714442)
That's such a bold statement, I can't begin to debate it.