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Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by BurningFrog on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:17AM (#34693885)
Motivation is a weird thing. Or maybe it's several things shoved into one word.

A very common mistake is to procrastinate doing something until you feel motivated. Our minds often doesn't work that way.

But if you start the task without any motivation, or expectation it will get done, you'll often find yourself motivated and making progress within minutes.

In reality, once you put some effort in, that can make you motivated.

Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by adwi on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:44AM (#34694233)
“Action precedes motivation” is a good lesson I keep relearning.
Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by sokoloff on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:03AM (#34694460)
I wish I could learn this faster. I can't even count the number of things that I've procrastinated and burned hours or days of brain focus on avoiding that ended up taking 10 or 15 minutes to just accomplish once I finally started.
Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by ekanes on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:08AM (#34694543)
Me too. What's helped me a lot is to just relentlessly make "what counts as starting" smaller and smaller until it's doable. Where "file taxes" is very very hard, "look through email and remember name of my accountant" (and many other TINY tasks...) is much more doable!
Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by Snitch-Thursday on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @12:36PM (#34695927)
these tasks are similar to the 'intellgent dumbing down' talked about in Getting Things Done, no wonder they work!

Having said that...I'm not diagnosed as ADHD but I definitely feel I exhibit executive dysfunction symptoms, and one of my siblings was diagnosed, so I'm feeling confident I'm ADHD adjacent at least...and just trying to implement Getting Things Done helped me immensely. Not only does it help with having a less stressful day (no longer do I have "what am I missing? what am I forgetting? Ahhh, angst!" feelings), it also helps me to just stay on task and/or when I switch tasks, know that I have the confidence to come back to wherever I was.

Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by seti0Cha on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @01:14PM (#34696594)
I've noticed a lot of times what appears to be procrastination is actually uncertainty as to how to proceed. The mind recoils from it's own inadequacy and just labels the whole thing "bad". An advantage of breaking it down as you say is that it pushes the uncertainty a step further away. You may not know what's required to do your taxes, but you know what's required to search your email. Many times, the way to perform the next step is produced by performing the current one (e.g. your accountant tells you what documents are needed) so the overall task is not nearly as painful as you anticipated.
Re:Screw motivation, what you need is discipline by pas on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @03:09PM (#34714162)
IMHO the problem is that there are so many interesting and semi-intrinsically motivating things that it's very hard to shut them out and "put some effort into" whatever you are "supposed to be doing".