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Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by FrontierPsych on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @03:07AM (#34690058)
Light 'em up.

You can't send huge flying things across another country's airspace without permission and flight plans.

I don't know, maybe the USA should start flying planes over Moscow and Beijing. How do you think they'd react?

I don't get what the pushback against blowing up a balloon would be.

If I was president, I'd make sure I'd be flying balloons over China all the time, see how they like it.

shit, they are getting pissy about ships being in the South China Sea.

Fuck China.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by abenga on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @09:26AM (#34693142)
Do you honestly believe there are no, nor have there ever been, American spy drones and planes flying over Moscow/Beijing?
Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by FrontierPsych on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @06:44PM (#34701673)
In 1960, "a United States U-2 spy plane was shot down by the Soviet Air Defence Forces"

It's ok to try, but expect your shit to be shot down if you're a dick about it.

Nothing happened when the U2 was shot down. But I personally am ok with the Soviet Union shooting it out of the sky.

Why should the USA do nothing when a balloon, by a massive military power and the USA's new competitor, fly over the USA without a polite, "Hey, do you mind if we fly this "weather balloon" with cameras over your military installations?"

I admit Americans have, and have been shot down. Why is it so weird the other way around? Why are you defending China indirectly by trying to equate it with the USA? If the USA gets shot down, why is that not mentioned by you and others? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

And, China certainly is getting weird about not having people sail ships through the South China Sea, despite it being ruled as international waters.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by foverzar on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @11:33AM (#34694904)
Who says you aren't?

Googling with a date range filter set (to filter out recent Chinese balloon news) yields results like "Pentagon using spy balloons".

We'll have to see if China starts shooting down random civilian (or not) probes within a few months. Many countries try not to fuss about stuff other countries do to avoid unnecessary escalations and tensions.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by calyth2018 on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @01:45PM (#34697147)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

You think the US doesn't do that now? If you do, I'd like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by FrontierPsych on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @06:38PM (#34701611)
You left the important part out:

"a United States U-2 spy plane was *shot down* by the Soviet Air Defence Forces"

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by calyth2018 on Wednesday February 08, 2023 @01:21PM (#34712338)
Outside of the handful that was shot down, including the ones that were operated by the ROC in the late 70s, all the major power that has the means of doing this, to probe defenses, be it coastal, or inland AA, or whatever, have done this.

Who says I'm giving China a pass? My point is that it's a balloon that was tracked from Alaska long before it crossed BC into Montana probably had its risk assessment done. It wasn't worth the hassle, and the potential risk of letting them get the telemetry on military hardware, and the cost to shoot one of those balloons; or to reveal the true operating envelope of a fighter and its armaments over a balloon that the US already was comfortable with it flying around from Alaska on.

If it was a serious threat to US national security, it would have been blown up over Alaska, or better yet, tell the Canadians to do it so that the risk isn't borne over American soil.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by FrontierPsych on Thursday February 09, 2023 @02:56AM (#34720982)
What you say may or may not be true, but it is beside the point.

The point is that the USA, or any country, has the right to deny it's airspace to anyone. There is no rule that just because we let it fly through Montana that means the USA has to let it fly anywhere.

There are all kinds of instances of the USA being denied use of another country's airspace. I'm not quite sure on the exact situation as it was a while ago, but I think during Gulf War I, or maybe II, Turkey would not let the USA take off from Incerirlick Air Base to bomb Iraq.

Ah, here it is,they closed their airspace for a while in Gulf War II - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/20/iraq.helenasmi...

It seems like you are giving China a pass to me.

>If it was a serious threat to US national security, it would have been blown up over Alaska

Nope. USA has the right to do it anywhere. We don't know the strategy. Maybe there was some global strategic reason or tactical reason, or who knows? Neither of us is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or are the Secretary of Defense. What do we know? All I know is that the USA can shoot down any aircraft, at any time, for any reason, if it doesn't file a flight plan and let the USA know the purpose. That I know. But you saying "If it was a serious threat to US national security..." is silly. You are not the Secretary of Defense. How would you know? Or anyone know, unless privy to that information?

That's how it works.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by FrontierPsych on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:45PM (#34729018)
I am responding again today, one day after I left my other post under this response that I made to you.

Today, the House voted UNANIMOUSLY, 419-0, to condemn China's balloon surveillance program as a “brazen violation” of U.S. sovereignty, a rare and swift bipartisan rebuke of Beijing as questions mount about the craft the U.S. says was part of a vast aerial spy program.

“This resolution, I believe, sends a clear bipartisan signal to the CCP and our adversaries around the world that this action will not be tolerated,” said Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, referring to the Chinese Communist Party.

Are every single one of the House, D and R, wrong and you are right? I'm pretty sure the Senate would vote the same way.

"In a Congress riven by partisan splits, the shared anxiety over China's stealthy balloon surveillance program and the reach of the Beijing's global military and economic force provided an unusual opening for bipartisan agreement in the debate."

I am extremely interested in your response.

Re:Adversary Drones Are Spying on the U.S. and The Pentagon ... by FrontierPsych on Thursday February 09, 2023 @01:48PM (#34729072)
I am responding again today, I left another post to you under another post you made further down this thread..

Today, the House voted UNANIMOUSLY, 419-0, to condemn China's balloon surveillance program as a “brazen violation” of U.S. sovereignty, a rare and swift bipartisan rebuke of Beijing as questions mount about the craft the U.S. says was part of a vast aerial spy program.

“This resolution, I believe, sends a clear bipartisan signal to the CCP and our adversaries around the world that this action will not be tolerated,” said Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, referring to the Chinese Communist Party.

Are every single one of the House, D and R, wrong and you are right? I'm pretty sure the Senate would vote the same way.

"In a Congress riven by partisan splits, the shared anxiety over China's stealthy balloon surveillance program and the reach of the Beijing's global military and economic force provided an unusual opening for bipartisan agreement in the debate."

I am extremely interested in your response, especially your comment that pertains to the Brooklyn Bridge. Are you going to sell that Bridge to every member of the House? Everyone but you does not understand things?

https://news.yahoo.com/us-house-votes-condemn-china-16553744...