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Re:One common behavior seen in “mature” software engineers by JohnFen on Monday February 06, 2023 @05:19PM (#34685312)
> output is difficult to measure

But in software engineering, it isn't difficult to measure at all. We're developing a deliverable. You can measure if the deliverable happens on time and with acceptable quality.

Re:One common behavior seen in “mature” software engineers by californical on Monday February 06, 2023 @06:36PM (#34686196)
Not exactly. Your approach works if everyone knows ahead-of-time the exact amount of effort that something will take. In software, it’s rarely the case that a project complexity is fully understood from the beginning; at best, you can make a ballpark estimate.

If you have a rock solid approach and design a system with little drama, which is released on time and with high quality, then you look like it wasn’t a very ambitious project. Or easier than expected. Maybe your team padded the estimates a lot and didn’t need to work that hard.

If you are putting in late nights and weekends and constantly fighting to get features working, maybe management thinks that the project was way harder than expected. They’re so lucky to have someone as hardworking as you or this project never would’ve been done!

Obviously there is a flaw in the logic — it’s possible that those assumptions are correct, and person 1 really was under-ambitious and person 2 is an incredible and dedicated engineer working on crazy hard problems. But it’s also possible that the first engineer was just better, and the second had terrible system design skills and constant spaghetti code that made a simple project seem complex.

It can be really hard to tell the difference. Even if both end up delivering on time, the second looks more ambitious, like they’re taking on harder problems.

Re:One common behavior seen in “mature” software engineers by JohnFen on Monday February 06, 2023 @06:43PM (#34686269)
> Your approach works if everyone knows ahead-of-time the exact amount of effort that something will take.

No, it really doesn't require that. But we're getting into the topic of project planning, which is a larger subject than we can tackle in the comments here. Fortunately, this is a topic discussed in great detail elsewhere.

> But it’s also possible that the first engineer was just better, and the second had terrible system design skills and constant spaghetti code that made a simple project seem complex.

Right, I was intending to cover that with my "acceptable quality" conditional.

Re:One common behavior seen in “mature” software engineers by l33t233372 on Monday February 06, 2023 @07:44PM (#34686886)
Where is project planning discussed well, in your opinion?
Re:One common behavior seen in “mature” software engineers by JohnFen on Tuesday February 07, 2023 @10:00AM (#34693635)
I have no single source. I only meant that this is a topic that is widely covered, and collectively with greater depth than is appropriate in this thread. Read widely on this topic, and don't focus just on one perspective. That way, needed nuance can be retained.