Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by nonethewiser on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:01AM
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DEI is about factoring in race. Race should never be part of the decision making process. On top of being morally reprehensible its also illegal.
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Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by anonymouskimmer on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:12AM
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DEI can also be about looking past stereotypes.
A couple of decades worth of research has shown racial bias against URMs in hiring exists. Breaking past it with a requirement to interview and consider URMs is a start, not the finish.
https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-...
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:40AM
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Alternatively, it could be ameliorated in a non-discriminatory way by anonymizing applications.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by anonymouskimmer on Monday February 06, 2023 @12:44PM
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Sure. Which would require a specialized group of trained people at the company. This would involve such things as changing Alma Mater University to "completed degree". It would involve fudging things such as how long it took to graduate (which can be an indicator of familial status, in so far as people from poorer backgrounds are disproportionately likely to take longer to complete due to financial reasons).
Genuinely anonymizing an application is a difficult task without losing pertinent data.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @12:52PM
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Both of the things you listed are as simple as text replacement.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by anonymouskimmer on Monday February 06, 2023 @01:01PM
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And how do you replace this text without losing important, non-origin context? What you probably need is an entire re-write. But a re-write, or even a bad text replacement, can make it look like the applicant is better or worse at grammar or writing in general.
This is not as easy a task as a simple text replacement.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @01:05PM
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The important content is their work history, projects, technical skills, etc. If the rewriting is awkward, it's affecting all candidates uniformly.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by anonymouskimmer on Monday February 06, 2023 @01:14PM
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A genuine bad rewrite would tend to affect all candidates uniformly (except those who have pre-anonymized their applications, thus gaming the process), but a find-replace is more problematic.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @01:19PM
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If that's an issue, the companies could just tell applicants to pre anonymize their resumes to eliminate any potential gaming.
Re:Tell HN: DEI initiatives undermine the self esteem of PoC...
by anonymouskimmer on Monday February 06, 2023 @03:56PM
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I think it's worthwhile A/B testing your idea.