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Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:08AM (#34674269)
I wouldn't expect any substantial answers from this commenter. I've checked out the dozen or so linked they've posted and it's mostly a smattering of unrelated statistics. For instance, Black Americans have 20% higher rates of heart disease. This is relevant to academics, how exactly? Are students dying of heart attacks in the middle of taking the SAT? The article just gives some effusive language.

He'll just keep referring you to these links and call you racist if you point out that other ethnic groups have succeeded.

Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by SpeedilyDamage on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:15AM (#34674305)
> For instance, Black Americans have 20% higher rates of heart disease. This is relevant to academics, how exactly?

I learned algebra from my grandfather, who was still alive because he didn't die of heart disease.

> He'll just keep referring you to these links and call you racist if you point out that other ethnic groups have succeeded.

Because it's covered extensively in those links why talking about the outcomes of the select few black people who make it to the top tiers of academia is not a relevant or meaningful way of approaching the problem. I can lead you to water, but I can't make you drink it.

But overall, what a shitty, disingenuous comment that reveals your terrible faith engagement on this topic. I didn't once call anyone here a racist person.

Honestly, thank you for posting this and revealing to the other folks here that you have no interest in abiding by the HN guidelines. At this point there's not really much more to do than flag your comments and stop engaging with your toxicity.

Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:25AM (#34674385)
And my grandparents either didn't live within 1,000 miles of me or died before the 3rd grade. Yet I learned algebra all the same.

Your links don't actually substantiate the claim that you're making. That's why people keep asking you to substantiate the claims that you're making about lower reward for the same level of academic success, and why your continuous referral back to these links is pointless. And now you're resorting to flagging comments because you can't refute them.

If my comments are so toxic, the correct course of action as per the HN guidelines is to not respond - which you have evidently not done.

> I didn't once call anyone here a racist person.

Yes, you did, here [1]

> What we do see are the systemic effects of an entire society normalizing a whole host of racist behaviors, including trying to play the struggle Olympics by comparing one racial group (who have a whole different set of issues) to another.

You wrote this in response to my comparison of Asian and Black admission rates, in response to your claim that Black people are not rewarded for academic success. In your response explicitly called the comparison of racial groups racist. Sure, you didn't call me racist. You just called what I did in the previous comment racist - as though I can't connect the dots.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34673876

Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by SpeedilyDamage on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:30AM (#34674412)
Wait, do you not know the difference between a racist behavior and a racist person?

Yikes...

Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:35AM (#34674445)
When you call something racist that someone just did, you're calling that person racist. This is one of the weakest dodges I've seen.
Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by SpeedilyDamage on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:36AM (#34674449)
Sorry but no, that's not true at all. Non-racist people can say and do very racist things. You can shift from acting in racist ways to not second-to-second, it's kind of the whole problem.

The only weak dodge here is your continued insistence I haven't supported my claim when in fact I have well beyond your ability to refute it; so you cling onto this clearly false claim that I haven't as some way of sidestepping your failure to directly address what I've claimed.

Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by Manuel_D on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:37AM (#34674460)
> Non-racist people can be very racist.

Shroedinger's racism: the person is simultaneously racist and non-racist at the same time.

You edited your comment after my response, that's what it read before you changed it to "...say and do very racist things."

Re:The Rise of Universities’ Diversity Bureaucrats (2018) by SpeedilyDamage on Monday February 06, 2023 @02:40AM (#34674469)
Not what it says, do you struggle to quote people like this often?