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Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by lolinder on Sunday February 05, 2023 @04:57PM (#34669978)
This argument is an appeal to authority that I just can't buy. You don't have to be a stupid person to succumb to your own biases, you just have to be human, and plenty of executives make irrational decisions based on their subjective feelings.
Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by q7xvh97o2pDhNrh on Sunday February 05, 2023 @05:55PM (#34670671)
FWIW, I read GP's comment as more an elaboration of incentive structures rather than an appeal to authority.

You're still right that plenty of people make irrational decisions under whatever incentive structure they're in, but I think that the steelman version of GP's argument would probably go something like:

    If we see a large % of companies going full-RTO, then maybe there's something to be said for the bet that RTO is a long-term competitive advantage.
...or, they might all just be lemmings, too. It's hard to say just yet, but I think it'll be interesting to see if there's an effect on stock performance over the next 10 years based on what companies decide now. (I feel like that's probably how long it'll take for the full impact on company culture to play out.)
Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by marcosdumay on Sunday February 05, 2023 @08:07PM (#34671899)
It's quite safe to say that whatever companies do next year or the following one is purely due to executives bias or lemming effects.

If there is a very strong impact on competitiveness, maybe we will notice in about a decade, if companies don't collude in stopping it.

Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by edmundsauto on Sunday February 05, 2023 @08:44PM (#34672174)
As do the people being asked to commute. It’s the same base rate.
Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by RestlessMind on Sunday February 05, 2023 @10:37PM (#34673003)
Not like you are providing any cogent argument. Execs sure have their own biases but they do have a lot of data to make important decisions like RTO policy. If you disagree with them, maybe it says more about your ignorance, blind spots and biases?
Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by mixedCase on Monday February 06, 2023 @03:12AM (#34674663)
Sure, I'll bite. What's the data on remote work?
Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by brutus1213 on Monday February 06, 2023 @07:35AM (#34676431)
I was talking to a CTO at a mid-sized startup (200 people or so; private company; I think ex-YC but not 100%); been there for a decade type concern.

Person flatly said no one works in WFH. I am also a manager and responded my team busted their balls the whole time, and delivered results. My personal opinion is my team did 120% of their productivity. I also acknowledge that some people are not built for it and their productivity may fall. I believe a manager can deal with this (either creating the right task-incentive structure, or getting the person off the bus). After my impassioned argument, the person said ..nope .. people just don't work during WFH. This was a social event, just the two of us talking, so I am quite sure this guy was being honest.

I also ran into a different person in a leadership position (just not very high; more like technical leadership; ex-professor; stints at Google). He was convinced the real reason FAANG hired so crazily was because productivity per employee had dropped dramatically. His belief was no one worked during WFH. Again, my impassioned arguments and personal anecdotes did not really move this person.

Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by RestlessMind on Monday February 06, 2023 @11:22AM (#34679698)
Just replied to another comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34679651

TL;DR: if there is no data, decision makers are going to stick to what they know best. And what current execs / c-suite knows best is in-office. They haven't learned management techniques for fully-remote yet.

I also started compiling research showing the value of in-person interaction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34673235