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Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by bsuvc on Sunday February 05, 2023 @03:58PM (#34669297)
Over 20 years of seeing this attempted by large companies and I have have never seen it work out well for them.

I'm not saying there aren't some talented developers working for cheap, but most of the time you get what you pay for.

Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by onethought on Sunday February 05, 2023 @09:40PM (#34672606)
Yes, so if you pay in the top 90% in a country you get top 90% of the talent.

The problem with “off shoring” is that’s how it is treated.

Remote work, where people become part of your team and work with everyone else is quite different and avoids the failure cases you have likely seen.

It’s hardly controversial to say that a huge chunk of Silicon Valley talent is from migrants. So clearly the training overseas is up to scratch.

Re:Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office? by phil21 on Monday February 06, 2023 @12:38AM (#34673784)
> Remote work, where people become part of your team and work with everyone else is quite different and avoids the failure cases you have likely seen.

Thank you. I believe this is the point everyone is missing.

And this is new. Giant companies never did this sort of thing really. It was always the low effort outsourcing approaches I was seeing in these markets.

Today I'm now competing with IBM and the ilk in these markets for direct employees. The tides are shifting extremely rapidly and I don't think many in the US even understand what has happened underneath them in the past few years.