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Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by WillPostForFood on Saturday February 04, 2023 @08:43PM (#34660729)
especially compared to satellites

It is a lot easier to take pictures and collect data at 60,000 ft (balloon) than from a satellite in low earth orbit, which is closer to 6,000,000 ft.

Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by lettergram on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:40PM (#34661149)
They also could have had ground penetrating radar. Note the path of the balloon was over the US missile silos

https://geo-matching.com/content/new-approach-to-use-ground-...

Outside the atmosphere you would not be able to do it

Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by sandworm101 on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:25PM (#34661485)
If that thing had a radar strong enough to see through dirt from 50,000ft, it should have also been causing havoc to all sorts of electrical equipment too.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:22PM (#34661828)
I know nothing of radar, but could the radar be shaped like routers beam forming? Couldn’t the radar also be switched off over the majority of inconsequential areas?
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:13AM (#34662441)
> could the radar be shaped like routers beam forming?

Yes, SAR [1].

[1] https://www.earthdata.nasa.gov/learn/backgrounders/what-is-s...

Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by 4gotunameagain on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:51AM (#34662850)
SAR is just a method to virtually increase the aperture of the antenna with a moving platform, it is unrelated to the localisation of the beam
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by ridgeguy on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:26AM (#34662500)
You could.

The Space Shuttle flew missions with an imaging radar that discovered ancient riverbeds beneath deep sand in the Sahara. At the time, some thought it would have worked equally well to disclose buried military infrastructure.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/shuttle-imaging-radar-a-si...

Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by kefka_p on Sunday February 05, 2023 @01:31AM (#34662522)
Not just silos, going through the Dakotas and Missouri put it fairly close to Ellsworth and Whiteman, as well.
Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by KennyBlanken on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:29AM (#34662748)
Okay, genius: explain how easy it is to generate as good imagery at 80,000 feet (almost ten times the typical aerial imagery altitude) from a platform being buffeted and spun and tilted by the wind with the weight restrictions of a high altitude balloon.

Now compare that challenge to simply setting up a shell company and purchasing 15-30cm commercial satellite imagery in their choice of bands.

Commercial satellites can generate 15-30cm images good enough to tell what make and model a car is in a parking lot. https://blog.maxar.com/earth-intelligence/2020/introducing-1...

Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by mike_d on Sunday February 05, 2023 @02:55AM (#34662865)
> explain how easy it is to generate as good imagery at 80,000 feet

Camera gimbals provide image stability regardless of motion in 3D space. Digital post processing is used to clean up images from planes and other moving sources.

> with the weight restrictions of a high altitude balloon.

People seem to really underestimate the size of these balloons. They are hundreds of feet across and capable of lifting massive loads. Using Google's Loon as an example it had a balloon that weighed almost 200 pounds and carried an additional 175 pounds of solar panels before you even added the mission payload.

> compare that challenge to simply setting up a shell company and purchasing 15-30cm commercial satellite imagery

Satellites have predictable passes and military installations schedule sensitive outdoor activities around them. The problem for defenders with balloons is that they can loiter on station for months at a time making scheduling around them impractical.

Re:U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance ... by supportlocal4h on Sunday February 05, 2023 @11:14AM (#34666039)
Try scheduling activities around all those Starlink sats.