Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by gruez on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:35PM
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That's the same problem as before. Outside of maybe fundamentalist religious people who think their religious text is the final word on everything, everybody agrees that "science" is the best way of finding out the truth. The trouble is that they disagree on what counts as science (ie. which scientists/institutions/studies to trust). When the disagreement is at that level, casually invoking "science" misses the point entirely.
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Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by tcmart14 on Friday February 03, 2023 @06:31PM
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Even then, some fundamentalist have "science." Kent Ham being an example here.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by dkqmduems on Friday February 03, 2023 @06:57PM
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Science doesn't care who does the science. It just takes time.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by gruez on Friday February 03, 2023 @07:37PM
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That might be true, but it's a non-sequitur because this thread is talking about the epistemic practices of a particular group. Whether "science" (the institution, method, or humanity in general) will eventually arrive at the truth is irrelevant.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by dkqmduems on Friday February 03, 2023 @08:01PM
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Is it irrelevant? Did this group arrive at a scientifically validated set of conclusions? If not, move on.
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by epistemer on Saturday February 04, 2023 @09:34AM
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A big problem is we have gone from Feynman saying "science is the disbelief in experts" to "What experts say is true right now is the science".
Re:Effective Altruism Has a Toxic Culture of Sexual Harassme...
by jhbadger on Saturday February 04, 2023 @11:50AM
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Not really. Saying that relying on experts isn't needed is a common, self-deprecating thing scientists like to say, but it doesn't really work. Even Feynman wrote about having to deal with cranks who sent him letters in which the authors thought they had disproved relativity or something. Everybody's opinion isn't equal in science.