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Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by munificent on Thursday February 02, 2023 @01:23PM (#34630891)
> without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT).

I see this counter-argument all the time and it makes no sense to me.

Yes, the web is already filled with SEO trash. How is that an argument that ChatGPT won't be bad? It's a force multiplier for garbage. The pre-existence of garbage does not at all invalidate the observation that producing more garbage more efficiently is even worse.

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by sonofhans on Thursday February 02, 2023 @02:51PM (#34632075)
Yeah, exactly. It’s like saying, “What’s wrong with having a bus-sized nuclear-powered garbage cannon aimed at my head? I already have to take out my trash once a week.”
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by qup on Thursday February 02, 2023 @03:13PM (#34632350)
Because you already only view like 0.0001% of the web's content. Garbage is already filtered by algos. Those algos just have to keep up with chatGPT the same way they've already been keeping up with spam, the 95% of the web that is a dumpster fire, etc.

Potentially it doesn't really become more difficult.

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by munificent on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:37PM (#34634919)
> Those algos just have to keep up with chatGPT the same way they've already been keeping up with spam, the 95% of the web that is a dumpster fire, etc.

That "just" is an arms race so fantastically difficult that the current leading business doing it has a market cap of $1.4 trillion.

Those algos are, to date, some of the world's most sophisticated uses of AI.

This is like observing that the howitzer was just invented and saying, "Don't worry, we've got chainmail armor."

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by qup on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:15AM (#34637420)
I don't think that's a keen analogy at all. We don't currently have chainmail. s/Google search/gmail spam filtering/youtube suggested algorithm is a dike holding back an ocean of shit. I'm not sure how to make an armor analogy, so let's just say it's really good armor.

Also assuming you meant 1.4T=Alphabet, I cannot go along with your pretending that the 1.4 trillion dollar cap is a function of PageRank, nor can I pretend that it's remotely related to whether they can continue providing good results post-chatGPT.

Why don't you think they can handle it?

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by munificent on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:32AM (#34643405)
I certainly hope they can handle it. But it looks to me that generative AI is posed to give a huge new weapon to bad actors and I absolutely think that's a bad thing, regardless of whether the good actors are somehow able to defend themselves from it.
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by opportune on Thursday February 02, 2023 @10:04PM (#34636642)
The difference is it takes me less than a second to immediately identify that content as garbage. And the places I frequent are good at stopping that garbage from getting on their website.

Between the 0.0001% we care about and the 99% percent that’s automated trash, there’s a solid 1% of content churned out by actual humans at very low quality. Think about things like recipe fluff, “news” articles for noname organizations, and all the super low effort blogs giving Birds Eye view summaries of things like Kubernetes ripped right off some other intro material.

ChatGPT produces straight up better and more informative content than those actual humans, and I am almost sure that it does so much faster and at a lower price. Actually, I think in some ways ChatGPT produces better content than most of the users on Reddit these days too

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by qup on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:06AM (#34637363)
Sure, again it really only matters if the search engine can filter the stuff we don't want to see, and show the stuff we want to see. If they can do that, we don't have a problem. It's the same as it was.

If they can't do it, we have a problem.

I guess there's the additional problem of bots posting comments everywhere, but that's really just a problem for social media sites and so I'm fairly unsympathetic.

People do spend a lot of their time these days on social media, but that's a new phenomenon, and I doubt it will last, so I don't think the future web is ruined.

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by ElevenLathe on Thursday February 02, 2023 @05:41PM (#34634310)
On the other hand, the system for finding non-garbage content is the same: read publications and writers that you (and other real people you know) already like. If there are 10 good websites and 100 garbage ones, you probably find out about 2 or 3 of the good ones by word of mouth. If there are 10 good websites and 10^32 garbage ones, you will still be able to read those 2-3 good ones.
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by munificent on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:34PM (#34634893)
The system for finding a needle in a sprinkling of hay is the same as finding a needle in a mountain-sized haystack but I would sure as hell prefer to be given the former task over the latter.
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by panagathon on Thursday February 02, 2023 @06:57PM (#34635122)
This analogy does not work because we search a hay stack with our eyes, but we search for information with far more selective tools. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by ElevenLathe on Friday February 03, 2023 @09:02AM (#34641141)
The smart way to find a needle in a haystack is to burn the haystack and pass the ashes in front of a magnet. I'm not sure what this analogy means for AI-generated SEO spam though.
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by jerryzh on Friday February 03, 2023 @05:54AM (#34639615)
because most garbage now are all ready produced by script. chatgpt will actually improve them
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by argentier on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:15AM (#34643098)
Better garbage? More convincing bullshit?

Are we winning?

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by brookst on Friday February 03, 2023 @11:06AM (#34642967)
I also see this argument all the time:

“New thing X is going to destroy the world!”

“Actually it’s an extension of decades-long trends and may accelerate issues we already face”

“Well it’s still bad, so any negative statement should be treated as true, even if it’s false!”

The article didn’t say ChatGPT was making low quality content worse. It said, in as many words, that ChatGPT will create this problem.

Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by soerxpso on Saturday February 04, 2023 @10:42AM (#34655263)
Search engines are already unusable for certain things that they used to be usable for. There's not really a such thing as "even more unusable." If I offer you an oven that doesn't get hot, that's not any better than an oven that makes things colder; you would not want either.
Re:Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not g... by dTal on Saturday February 04, 2023 @04:20PM (#34658416)
I think we call that a "fridge", and they're quite popular actually...