Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by rqtwteye on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @11:51PM
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That’s why it’s much safer to move up on the management track. An IC on a higher level almost has to be able to walk on water and constantly produce outstanding work whereas for managers it’s mucb more possible to do your job as usual without producing breakthroughs.
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Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by CydeWeys on Thursday February 02, 2023 @12:10AM
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I think the upper middle managers were actually hit harder in this layoff than the higher level eng ICs.
Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by aix1 on Thursday February 02, 2023 @04:27AM
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Anecdotally, this rings true.
However, I also wanted to point out that "Distinguished SWE" != "IC". There are plenty of L8/L9 Google employees who are on technical ladders but whose jobs are mainly -- or solely -- about people management. Those people have Principal/Distinguished X as their title.
This was very common in the olden days and remains true for long-tenured employees. Google's been moving away from this model by requiring that employees move onto a management ladder once their job is mainly about people management. However, I doubt anyone would want to piss off all those Principal and Distinguished SWEs/RSes by forcing them onto a different ladder and replacing their titles.
Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by xmprt on Thursday February 02, 2023 @12:48AM
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The flipside is that it's very difficult to get promoted as a manager. As an IC you can at least show some skills to prove that you deserve to be at the next level. A manager can usually only get promoted if there's enough scope or if there's an opening at the higher level (eg. senior manager left).
Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by tehlike on Thursday February 02, 2023 @01:34AM
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You should check the percentage of LN for N>=7 for ic and manager track.
Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by commiepatrol on Thursday February 02, 2023 @10:29AM
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From my experience it’s the exact opposite
Re:Google layoffs Jan 20, 2023 – California WARN public records
by QuercusMax on Thursday February 02, 2023 @02:06PM
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For sure. At Google, L7 ICs are rare. L7 managers, not so much.