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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by JKCalhoun on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @03:56PM (#34617609)
You seem to be trying to stand on a knife's edge between saying counterculture is not mainstream, counterculture has mainstream impact.

> Compare that to say a punk band in the 80s that may have only had a few thousand people ever see it perform

Or the Velvet Underground that sold only a few thousand records but "everyone who bought one went out and started a band."

Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by jjk166 on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @06:14PM (#34619503)
That's not a knife edge, counterculture is by definition not mainstream, and certainly today most people are not active participants in counterculture, but it has become easier to participate in countercultures if you so choose then ever before, and (while still being a very small minority) the absolute number of people participating has never been larger. The distinction between impact and mainstream impact is a very important nuance.

There are certainly creators today who are as influential to their groups as the Velvet Underground was to theirs, but just like plenty of people had never heard of them in the 60s, you're probably not going to know about them for another 20 years.