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Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by sleepyhead on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:07AM (#34609860)
"Businesses in the EEA who are paying out in USD to a US-domiciled bank account will now incur a 1% fee, with a minimum fee of US$2.50 per payout."

This is absurd. A 1% fee to transfer USD to a USD bank account?

The alternative is to charge in another currency - which Stripe will put a 2% currency fee on.

This is already on top of their expensive transaction costs.

Will actively look for alternatives now.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by pifm_guy on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:13AM (#34609910)
PayPal does the same...

For non-us citizens, USD's either incur a conversation fee to another currency, or an international withdrawal fee. There is no way to get money out without paying one or other fee.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by ddorian43 on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:33AM (#34610148)
Can't find this on fees page https://www.paypal.com/al/webapps/mpp/merchant-fees. Which detail is it?
Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by tallytarik on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:57AM (#34610449)
For Australia it’s on this page under Withdrawals Out of PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/merchant-fees

Coincidentally they added the 3% withdrawal fee soon after Wise became a popular bank account option. PayPal was a great choice until then!

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by ddorian43 on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:06AM (#34610545)
But it has a max-fee of $10 if you withdraw to an USD card, correct?

So you can open an USD card on wise and withdraw there?

But they probably have a limit? If yes, there's no workaround?

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by tallytarik on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:11AM (#34610622)
That’s interesting, I didn’t know withdrawing to a card in USD was possible.

Maybe if I ever have to implement PayPal again I’ll test it out :)

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by jq-r on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:57AM (#34611303)
Took me years to find out how they're scamming me on the conversion charges/exchange rate.

Say you want to buy product in USD, and you come from non-USA country. Paypal would "helpfully" convert USD to your local currency using their own exchange rate (worse than any other one - goes without saying), charge the linked bank account (which probably is in USD anyway, to avoid paying for conversion fees), then the local bank would charge you again by converting the payment from the local currency to say USD because the account is in USD. Those practices probably cost me thousands over the years until I've figured out what was happening.

I've turned on the option (intentionally buried and difficult to find) that tells Paypal to charge me in the currency I've was purchasing (USD), and not to do the conversion. But the fuckers had a habit of flipping that option so you're caught off guard. Needless to say, been Paypal-free for years now. One can imagine how much Paypal and banks profit from this scammy/dark-pattern behaviour on a global scale.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by stevoski on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:12AM (#34609908)
Yeah, this one is a bit over the top. 1% fee for USD to USD transfer.

People from Stripe will probably appear in this discussion any moment now. It’ll be interesting seeing them try to explain this one.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by likeabbas on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:18AM (#34609965)
I’m sure someone has already posted the thread in a slack channel
Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by GordonS on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:12AM (#34610629)
I might be wrong, but I've a sneaking suspicion that we're not going to see the usual suspects from Stripe chiming in this time...
Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by pjan on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:43AM (#34610259)
As far as I understand, you can payout in USD on a EEA domiciled account, and you won’t be incurring any fees.

It’s the crossborder settlement which they charge for, which I don’t think is crazy, as it just reflects the underlying costs Stripe must be incurring themselves.

As someone who ran a business in multiple countries, the bank always charged similar fees for these transfers between accounts. Stripe letting me settle directly in the account where I want the money to land, rather than me having to log in to my bank and initiating a transfer manually where fees are ~the same is definitely a better option, which I’m happy they offer.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by martinald on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:57AM (#34610452)
1% is enormous for this. I think the cost of a SWIFT transfer is maybe $3 to them, regardless of amount. If you're doing $100k/month of USD sales and payout once a week, it is a huge markup.

They are clearly losing money on their (really expensive) forex fees so are trying to recoup this by this payment.

There is no intrinsic reason I see why the fees are so high for this.

Edit to add: they actually use ACH for US bank USD payouts, so even less cost than SWIFT.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by pjan on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:13AM (#34610651)
Again, in my understanding is Stripe not forcing you to—-as a EEA business——settle USD in a US domiciled account; you can settle the USD in an EEA domiciled account and not incur the cost. If you then want to repatriate the money to the US with your bank, you can do so yourself.

I also just looked it up how much this costs with my bank, and it's a minimum fee of $25 + agent/intermediary bank fees on top of it, for amounts less than $5,0000.

I assume that Stripe can negotiate better rates though, but for the sake of simple pricing, and cost-averaging over different amounts (which are, given that they serve the long tail, likely heavy weighted on smaller amounts), it is not inconceivable that this 1% is closer to cost than one might imagine.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by poxrud on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:36AM (#34610991)
Banks do not charge a percentage of the transfer for wires or ACH. It is a set fee, usually in the range of $15-35 (stripe probably pays less than a dollar). That is a huge difference between charging 1% of the transaction.
Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by sleepyhead on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:52AM (#34611225)
This was previously not possible but looks like they have allowed it now. That is the reason why I had a US USD account in the first place, for Stripe USD payouts. They did not allow USD payouts to any European accounts last time I checked a few years ago, only to US accounts.

The 1% is for all non local currency payouts. Example: "The primary currency for Stripe accounts in France is EUR. All other currencies fall under alternative currencies." "1% Of the payout amount, when you choose to payout in select alternative currencies." Ref https://stripe.com/docs/payouts/alternative-currencies So basically this will result in very expensive payouts for anyone doing USD charges outside US or EUR charges outside Europe. Like many SaaS companies are. Charging any other currency is problematic for many customers so it is not really an option. Like I don't want to be charged in pesos for a SaaS that I am using.

The alternative is to have Stripe convert USD to my local currency. For a small 2% fee.

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by tallytarik on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:49AM (#34610329)
This has also been the case in Australia since Stripe added the ability to pay out to a USD account last year.

I was excited to ditch the 2% currency conversion fee - nope, just reduced to 1%. For what? A currency conversion fee can be somewhat defended, or, at the very least, “everyone else does it”...

Now I want my funds in the same currency you accepted them, and I have to pay for the privilege?

Re:Stripe increases fees for EU and UK-based businesses in A... by 02thoeva on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:51AM (#34610365)
Same here. This is a massive dent in any of our remaining profit. Realistically we'll need to look to leave