Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture?

Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by AmericanChopper on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @06:57AM (#34609326)

My bank decorates rainbow ATMs during pride month. A block away from my house my local council has created a rainbow street crossing. I don’t think it’s possible to get more mainstream than that.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by misnome on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @07:00AM (#34609338)

Taping a nail to your jacket doesn’t make you Punk.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by AmericanChopper on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @07:27AM (#34609553)

Sounds like gatekeeping to me. I know LGBT culture generally used to be edgy and underground. But widespread mainstream acceptance means that’s not really true anymore.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by zirgs on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @07:52AM (#34609752)

In other countries it's still kinda "edgy". Yeah - gay pride is allowed and my bank changed its app icon to include rainbow colours. There also are no "LGBT propaganda" laws so gay-friendly pop culture is allowed. (Like movies depicting same sex families)

But at the same time gay marriages and civil unions are both illegal. Adoption for gay couples is illegal too. Even if they are performed abroad. The state still treat gay couples as if they were roommates or something.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by AmericanChopper on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:14AM (#34609928)

The article (and my comments, and I believe the comments I was replying to) are referring to the United States.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by zirgs on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:53AM (#34611234)

Lots of people are still against gay marriage in the USA. In many states it was legalised against the wishes of the majority. And it can be made illegal again. Just like abortions.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @12:26PM (#34614037)

The public opinion numbers on this topic have changed drastically over the last two decades. It's an increasingly minority opinion. In 2004 it was 2:1 against same sex marriage. By 2022 it's 6:4 in favor. It's probably outdated to consider opposition to same sex marriage a majority opinion in much of the US.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-i...

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by zirgs on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @03:37PM (#34617291)

In some states that's not a minority opinion. And the court decision also was kinda flimsy - 5:4 instead of 8:1 or something like that. That 5:4 can become 4:5 in the future. And just like abortions - gay marriage can become illegal in some states again.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @03:38PM (#34617323)

I provided some data for my assertions. You could at least try to back up your state-level claim.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by zirgs on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @05:52PM (#34619216)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_mar...

In many states support is around ~50%. So opposition to same sex marriage isn't a fringe opinion in a lot of places in the USA. Even in liberal California 33% still don't support it.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by sjsdaiuasgdia on Thursday February 02, 2023 @09:26AM (#34626880)

It's not fringe yet, but it is extremely well on the way to being a minority opinion. It already is when you consider the national scope.

The states where a majority are still opposed are all states nobody wants to live in for a variety of reasons including poor educational standards and lack of economic development.

There might be some relations between these facts. Maybe not. But it is interesting, isn't it? That those are the places where these opinions stick around the longest?

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by throwaway894345 on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:27AM (#34610885)

No, but if corporations and cultural elites are all taping nails on their jackets, then punk is no longer counter-cultural.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by nemo44x on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @07:28AM (#34609562)

It literally has corporate sponsorship by every Fortune 500 company.

Hell most of them won’t even acknowledge Christmas anymore.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by throwayyy479087 on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @08:05AM (#34609845)

I mentioned this in other comments, but the actual edgy counterculture these days is the tradcath types. They have all the funny memes, they make the media angry, Karens despise them – reminds me a lot of the hippies.

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Re:Do We Live in a Society Without a Counterculture? by TheCapeGreek on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @12:14PM (#34613786)

Sure, but that's a very broad "queer is cool" rather than the more specific ENM, hedonism, etc.

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