Re:San Francisco is getting cold feet about self-driving car...
by zopa on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @07:27AM
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Roundabouts and public transit improvements cost millions or billions and take years or decades to roll out. They’re great, and we should build them, but there’s a lot to be said for quicker, cheaper solutions in the mean time.
Re:San Francisco is getting cold feet about self-driving car...
by jononomo on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @09:28AM
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It is a pathetic commentary on our society that we can't implement roundabouts without spending millions of dollars and a decade of time. I feel that an intersection could be replaced with a roundabout in a single weekend if people cared enough. Didn't the Japanese recently reroute tracks and reconfigure a train station overnight, before the 7 AM train arrived?
Re:San Francisco is getting cold feet about self-driving car...
by earthling8118 on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @11:13AM
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At some point this attitude has to be given up. There's no reason traffic circles should cost millions to billions. I'd be willing to wager that this short sighted, quick and dirty meantime fix strategy has been employed too much and now we've arrived at this reality.
Re:San Francisco is getting cold feet about self-driving car...
by zopa on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @01:58PM
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It’s not an “attitude”, it’s an objective fact about how capital project go in the US right now.
I’ve got theories, but I don’t really know what the best way is to fix that. We probably need to try a bunch of things, and I’m all for that.
But drivers running red lights kill people. I’m for for the ideal, elegant solutions, and also for the imperfect incremental ones. I really don’t think worse-is-better, if that’s what you’re advocating, is appropriate.
Re:San Francisco is getting cold feet about self-driving car...
by yowzadave on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @01:10PM
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> Fines and fees are a difficult topic. Fines and fees should never be used to fund the government. They are a perverse incentive.
Perhaps it would be better if all of the fines went into a social wealth fund that every citizen has a share in?
Re:San Francisco is getting cold feet about self-driving car...
by catmiral on Thursday February 02, 2023 @07:24AM
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> I'll bite. Fines and fees are a difficult topic. Fines and fees should never be used to fund the government.
Fines should be used to fund insurance for victims of lawless drivers, or to improve road infrastructure, build bicycle roads, etc.
For traffic management, I like the idea of roundabouts and twists to control speed better. Red lights and stop signs have inherent deficiencies and we should phase them out. I'd argue that drivers should feel they are going to fast and need to slow down by cues like narrow streets with no onstreet parking, not four lane stroads with 30mph plastered on a five mile perfectly straight stretch.
Most importantly though, we need better public transit or any public transit. Ideally free of cost for the riders and paid for by taxes.