Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days
by hcurtiss on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @01:44PM
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That second link sure looks to me like the R-1 developments the activists seem upset about. Yes, I would expect kids play there.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days
by tptacek on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @01:54PM
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That second link is what most of Chicago looks like. See for yourself: this site will generate totally random addresses in Chicago, and you can just copy them to Google Maps to see the street view.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days
by hcurtiss on Friday February 03, 2023 @12:12PM
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The point, I think, is that the elimination of zoning is meant to upset the R-1 style of development you say is prevalent in Chicago and that I agree is conducive to kids playing outside, on and off the street. Where you have high density mixed-use urban development, outside play of that nature is much, much less common, as evidenced by my examples in Portland.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days
by tptacek on Friday February 03, 2023 @06:28PM
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No, the alternative to R-1 development isn't "high density mixed use", it's 2-, 3-, and 4- flats. Pull up any random address from that site that's in Lakeview --- entirely RT-4 and above --- and you'll see kids playing on the street the same way.
This is the problem with the zoning debate: people exclude the middle, and say that zoning is either good single-family regions where kids can play on the streets, or terrible industrial zones that look like Giede Prime. We don't have to carefully reason through the alternatives --- good, functioning cities are full of them.
Re:CA Cities to Lose All Zoning Powers in 2 Days
by kasey_junk on Friday February 03, 2023 @06:31PM
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What about this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7994972,-87.5942747,3a,75y,9...
Thats 3 blocks from the original link. Thats a park on the right that I saw kids playing outside in today when it was 2 degrees (F) out.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8009554,-87.5937668,3a,75y,2...
Is the street I saw the pickleball kids playing on last summer. It's one block away from my first link.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/jackson+and+lasalle+chicag...
Most of Chicago doesn't look like the loop. It's a big city.
The University of Chicago is in Hyde Park, 10 minutes south of the loop. It's one of the safest neighborhoods in the city. This is what Hyde Park looks like:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7995114,-87.5981733,3a,75y,1...
Kids play on the sidewalks and in the streets in Chicago all the time. I mean: of course they do? It's a city of 2.7 million people. Did you think all the kids were just kept inside all the time?