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Re:We've Lost the Plot by throwaway5959 on Monday January 30, 2023 @10:50PM (#34590710)
The iPhone, messaging apps, online tax preparation (I do my taxes on my _phone_), Spotify, Dropbox, drones, 3d printing, etc provide no value?
Re:We've Lost the Plot by arp242 on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:56PM (#34591349)
"No value" is of course not the same as "net positive benefit".

Takes drones for example. I've been woken by them at 7am on campsites. I've been quietly reading a book at the beach only to be disrupted by some instagram addict with a drone. Peaceful walks in the mountains have been disrupted. As far as I'm concerned, they're a net-negative. They're excessively loud, annoying, and as far as I'm concerned they're net-negative.

You're other examples are more complex, but my point is mainly: "provides value" is not identical to "net positive benefit".

Re:We've Lost the Plot by ynab4 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @01:24AM (#34591919)
"The iPhone"

Well meme'd, good sir

Re:We've Lost the Plot by midoridensha on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @04:48AM (#34593241)
Online tax prep isn't a net positive at all. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist. In normal countries, the government already knows your income and other such info, and fills out your taxes for you; you just have to verify and sign, unless there's a problem.

Messaging apps are a bit similar: SMS is so horrible that proprietary apps were made as a better alternative, but it's all Balkanized and incompatible. Still, they fill a need, since communication is important and something people should do (tax prep is not: most people shouldn't be doing it at all).

Re:We've Lost the Plot by everdrive on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @05:15AM (#34593411)
I agree that the parent is being overly pessimistic, but on balance I’m. It sure that your list represents a net positive. The iPhone especially. The world would have been far better off without smartphones.
Re:We've Lost the Plot by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @07:29AM (#34594249)
The smartphone is the worst invention in the history of the world. Worse than nuclear weapons, worse than corona virus, worse than leaded gasoline. It is an enslavement device, a tracking device, a spying device.

[EDIT] Messaging "apps" used to be neutral but now are trending negative due to being controlled by spy companies.

Taxation is theft so making it easier doesn't sound like a good thing.

Spotify is a service designed to remove your property rights under guise of giving you access to a large catalogue.

Dropbox is a government surveillance service. Upload your files so the government can scan them.

Drones are govt surveillance devices.

3d printing is neutral.

Re:We've Lost the Plot by turbokatsu20 on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @02:20PM (#34600367)
Taxation is theft? Really? I presume your taxes don't pay for anything you use on a regular basis in your country if you're saying thay right?
Re:We've Lost the Plot by Am4TIfIsER0ppos on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @05:47AM (#34608857)
Nope. Roads? Government won't let me drive without more taxes. Healthcare? Haven't seen a doctor in a decade, not that it is "free" here anyway. Electricity, gas, water: paid for by me with duties and levies and tax on top. Firefighters? Have never once called for their services but I would pay them when needed. Police? They're the ones who enforce the stealing. Plus they get special privileges the rest of us don't.