The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer

Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by shadowofneptune on Monday January 30, 2023 @01:47PM (#34584516)

This was not my experience with Emacs, oddly enough. I started using it because it was the only editor that both supported a terminal and had a top bar. Like a windows program, pressing F10 gets you a File, Options, etc. menu that helped me get through that first session. Emacs (and other Vi's, I should note) has made a nod towards accessibility that Vim has not.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by w0m on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:08PM (#34584854)

As a long-time Vim'er who has had a dalliance with emacs a few times before fleeing - I always saw the bar and had no idea how to use it. f10. Nice. What always got me was how it still* felt sluggish on my intel 32gb rMBP.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by jacobsenscott on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:29PM (#34585903)

Performance has improved a lot. I'm on version 28 with native compilation enabled and I just opened a 12599 line yaml file and there is no lag. In the prior version the file was pretty much uneditable in emacs. There are probably still cases where vim outperforms emacs, but for any reasonably sized file it should be good.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by pdimitar on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:52PM (#34586958)

Every single time I press M-x my Emacs lags.

I use Emacs 29 RC with JIT compilation. Seldom any difference at all.

Granted I use a Doom derivative that shows a popup where you see command auto-completion but in 2023 this is absolutely inexcusable, if not laughable.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by jacobsenscott on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:10PM (#34587168)

It is likely the fault of an extension or misconfiguration. It is instant for me, with ivy typeahead/fuzzy match magic. You would need to start uninstalling packages until you find the offender. I don't know if that is easy with something like doom since a ton is stuff is pre-installed.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by pdimitar on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:24PM (#34587362)

Exactly the problem. I lost all will to tinker with it (and I've done that a lot in the past).

If it can't work reasonably well out of the box then it is a failure.

I'm already eating down votes in another comment which ironically only cements my decision to move away from Emacs.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by nequo on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:38PM (#34587566)

>> Granted I use a Doom derivative that shows a popup

> If it can't work reasonably well out of the box then it is a failure.

It is not out of the box though, is it? It sounds like the code that shows you the popup might not ship with stock Emacs.

Do you get the lag if you start Emacs with `emacs -Q`? Do you get it with Doom proper?

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by pdimitar on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:45PM (#34587664)

Switching Emacs distro sounds like doing a favor to a friend that kept stealing my money but I'll grant you that yes, I'm not using stock Doom and that might be the problem.

Can't promise I'll try again ever. I tinkered a good amount and lost faith. Nothing should need that much time and effort spent to have basic stuff working acceptably.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by nequo on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:55PM (#34587814)

That's fair. The most important thing is that you get your work done.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by pdimitar on Wednesday February 01, 2023 @04:00PM (#34617658)

Yep. NeoVim + LunarVim gives me that (as long as I don't update it often, lol, it has similar problems -- people over-excited to pimp it forever and ever).

I think people easily lose perspective. It's OK to love what you do and play with it but people swing too far in that direction and forget that others actually use their stuff and need to get work done with it.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by u801e on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:09PM (#34587157)

gvim has a menu bar by default. I believe it's possible to enable it in the terminal assuming vim has been compiled with the necessary options.

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Re:The benefits of everything (in Emacs) being a buffer by shadowofneptune on Tuesday January 31, 2023 @03:34AM (#34592747)

Ah, this is what I was thinking of when I said other Vi's. Did not realize it's a fork of Vim.

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