Re:Ask HN: Why does every package+module system become a Rub...
by 0x0 on Monday January 30, 2023 @01:39PM
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Well of course it snakes back, and likely beyond debian's inception, your initial c compiler has to come from somewhere.
Re:Ask HN: Why does every package+module system become a Rub...
by anderskaseorg on Monday January 30, 2023 @01:44PM
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Right. Nix bootstraps from a fixed collection of seed binaries, and everything in any given commit of nixpkgs is derived from the seed binaries and versions of software that exist in that commit of nixpkgs. It doesn’t solve the “trusting trust” problem with those seed binaries, but it does solve the “arbitrarily long chains” problem.
(The work at https://www.gnu.org/software/mes/ aims to minimize the needed binary seed to a human-auditable size, and should be applicable to Nix and Guix.)
In order to reproduce a given Debian package from scratch, one would need to track down long chains of historical versions of packages from sid. Due to circular dependencies, these chains probably snake back to the very first versions of Debian before the availability of snapshot.debian.org. It’s possible that human judgment could be used to break some chains at an earlier point by substituting different versions, but this goes outside the guarantees provided by Debian’s reproducibility.
Nix guarantees that every package is built with the specified versions of its dependencies, and so on recursively. Some more rebuilding is necessary to maintain this guarantee, but in exchange, it enables stronger notions of reproducibility that Debian can’t.