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Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by dragontamer on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:40AM (#34576926)
What was Russia's reason for attacking Ukraine and starting this whole mess?

Last time I checked, Russia still hasn't officially declared war on Ukraine, or given a reason yet. Despite the large scale conscription of soldiers, Russia seems to still call this a special military operation, rather than a proper war.

The USA / NATO side is defensive purpose. Ukraine certainly deserves a right to exist and fight for itself. This war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia.

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Why were Russian soldiers attacking Kyiv in February 2022?

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by ihatepython on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:21AM (#34577180)
This war/conflict actually began back in 2014, after Yanukovich was overthrown. The simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement and allow the Donbas to vote on whether or not they want to join Russia. Merkel has stated that there was never any intention to allow the Donbas to vote. The purpose was to buy time to build up Ukraine's army. So the negotiation was in bad faith.

It is false that this war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. Again the simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement.

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by dragontamer on Monday January 30, 2023 @03:31AM (#34577239)
> The simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement and allow the Donbas to vote on whether or not they want to join Russia

Why did Russia invade, kill, and kidnap citizens before such a vote?

Its pretty obvious that what Russia is doing here is simple colonialism. Russia wants Ukraine. It started by gobbling up Crimea, and moved on to to take Donbas and other such territories.

Last year, I've had plenty of Russian sympathizers tell me how peace-loving you all are, especially with your "Slavic Brothers". And it was all proven false upon the brutal attack on Kyiv on Feburary 2022.

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A true Democracy is not done under gunpoint, as Russia aims its cruise missiles upon the innocent civilians in Ukraine.

> It is false that this war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia.

It started when Putin crossed into Ukraine. It will end when Putin retreats his army back into Russia.

> Minsk Agreement

How about Russia returns Crimea to Ukraine? Why did Russia just take that territory by the way? That's what started this whole mess in March 2014.

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by ihatepython on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:07AM (#34577459)
Do you believe that Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked attack?
Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by testrun on Monday January 30, 2023 @06:01AM (#34578205)
In 1994 Russia signed the Budapest agreement where it guaranteed the independence of Ukraine. Ukraine had to transfer all it's nukes to Russia to honour it's side of the agreement. Which it did.

Ukraine's borders included Donbas and Crimea. Why did Russia reneged on that agreement?

Talking about the Donbas, why has the Donbas right to sovereignty, but not Chechnia?

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by ihatepython on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:53AM (#34582543)
At the Munich Security Conference, Kamala Harris said that Ukraine should join NATO. That violates the Budapest agreement.

A few days later, Putin invades Ukraine.

Back in 2014, after Yanukovich was overthrown, the US installed an unelected government in Ukraine, which immediately began attacking the Donbas region.

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by dragontamer on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:58AM (#34582635)
We literally have the satellite footage of Russians building up on the border in December 2021.

It's the internet today. Public companies have easy to use satellites.

The invasion plans were already in place long before that statement.

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I know this because when I saw those troop movements published, I started to buy oil stock. I've made a profit from my prediction. I knew Russia was not to be trusted and that a war could break out.

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by ihatepython on Monday January 30, 2023 @07:56PM (#34589255)
The Ukrainian government may be the most corrupt government in the world.

The Ukrainian nazis were far worse than the German nazis in WWII, and they were never held accountable for their actions.

Hunter Biden's laptop has been covered up.

I have no desire for WWIII, but it is clear that is where we are headed. NATO has no desire to seek a peaceful resolution. They want war. Ukrainians are consumed by their hatred of Russians, and most likely they will end up destroying themselves. Nothing the Ukrainians say has any basis in logic, they are consumed by hatred.

It is like that episode of Seinfeld, Newman and Kramer are playing Risk, and Newman says 'I am not defeated yet, I still have armies in the Ukraine'

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by dragontamer on Monday January 30, 2023 @09:47PM (#34590207)
> The Ukrainian nazis were far worse than the German nazis in WWII

Uh huh.

1. Zelensky is Jewish.

2. How many millions of Jews have the Ukrainians killed?

3. How many millions of Slavs have the Ukrainians killed?

Ah right... no where close to the Nazis. Your hyperbole is noted, but there's a little law here on the internet called Goodwin's law.

The moment someone starts talking about Nazis on the internet, you know that they're at the end of their argument and have no facts backing them up.

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by testrun on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:54PM (#34591324)
Well actually, it's not. South Sudan is (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-corr...). Russian corruption is worse than Ukraine's (same source).
Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by callmetom on Monday January 30, 2023 @04:55AM (#34577775)
You know that the RAND Corporation published the blueprint for this in 2019 - titled "Extending Russia", right? 8 of the first 10 measures have been implemented (items such as "Exploit tensions in the South Caucasus"). So the more sensible question is: why is the US doing this, and why would Russia just idly wait for the "Provide lethal aid to Ukraine" measure to be fully executed?

Short answer: the US is more interested in destroying the German economy than Russia's, and starting a protracted war with Russia through a Ukrainian proxy is how that is being done. It is amazing how happily the EU wrecked its economic prospects for at least two generations, to the exclusive benefit of US industry. Russia's actions here are totally rational, not only that but they provided ample warning for years about NATO expansion into Ukraine being an actual red line (as opposed to a lot of the red lines declared by the WH).

Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by testrun on Monday January 30, 2023 @05:55AM (#34578159)
So Russia invaded Ukraine on the orders of the US?
Re:Ukrainian soldiers arrive in Britain for tank training by callmetom on Monday January 30, 2023 @01:09PM (#34583890)
You are mixing up who is the factotum here - Ukraine is the one taking marching orders. Also, the other silly things your mother said to you when you and your sibling fought don't apply in real adult life. There does exist the legal concept of "menacing" and it does justify an overmatched demolishing.