Toroidal propeller allows a drone to operate more quietly [pdf]

Re:Toroidal propeller allows a drone to operate more quietly... by someweirdperson on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:33PM (#34573476)

> Cavitation effects -- microscopic bursts of vacuum at low-pressure boundaries along the propeller -- come into play much sooner than with air propellers.

In liquids vapor-bubbles of the liquid (not vacuum) are caused by low pressure (or high temperature, boiling), and cavitation is the collapse of the vapor back to liquid state when pressure rises (or temperature drops).

Propellers in air do have issues with the speed of sound, but that's a different matter than cavitation in liquids.

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Re:Toroidal propeller allows a drone to operate more quietly... by chrisdalke on Sunday January 29, 2023 @06:33PM (#34573949)

Thanks for the corrections: So the bubbles are not a vacuum but low-pressure vapor and cavitation is the name for the collapse, not the bubble itself. And this can only happen in liquids where there is a potential phase transition. I've got a little marine knowledge but my physics is lacking so I appreciate the clarification!

I assumed cavitation had similar parallels in air propellers with high tip speeds (as you approach the speed of sound) but seems that is a different effect?

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Re:Toroidal propeller allows a drone to operate more quietly... by aqfamnzc on Sunday January 29, 2023 @07:37PM (#34574395)

I would say it's still a vacuum in the more common meaning of the word: A reduction in pressure, not necessarily a complete vacuum.

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