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Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by BiteCode_dev on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:23AM (#34566764)
Well, if you work for facebook, ethics is not your priority in the first place.

On the other hand, if I ever decided to throw mine on the toilet and work for a company that manipulate people, and perform mass spying on them, then I would go all the way and just do things like this.

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by scarface74 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:38AM (#34566848)
I wouldn’t work for Facebook because I don’t hate myself enough. But I also don’t clutch my pearls and think that any for profit company is feeding starving children.

You can make a negative case for any of the large tech company.

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by sofixa on Sunday January 29, 2023 @06:00AM (#34566958)
> You can make a negative case for any of the large tech company.

Yes you can, but it's a spectrum. Microsoft abusing their monopolistic position to strangle competition and adding adware and spyware in an OS people pay for is ethically and morally bad, but is much less bad than Facebook profiting from and doing nothing to stop an actual active genocide. Facebook is by far the worst, ethically and morally, offender of the big tech companies not actively involved in the military industrial complex.

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by earthnail on Sunday January 29, 2023 @07:14AM (#34567389)
And just went you think Facebook is the worst, TikTok comes around.
Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by zelphirkalt on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:08AM (#34568207)
"Der Markt regelt das." (The market will regulate itself.)
Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by hakre on Sunday January 29, 2023 @11:03PM (#34575646)
> The invisible hand is a metaphor used by the Scottish moral philosopher Adam Smith that describes the unintended greater social impacts brought about by individuals acting in their own self-interests.[1][2] Smith originally mentioned the term in his work Theory of Moral Sentiments in 1759, but it has actually become known from his main work The Wealth of Nations, where the phrase is mentioned only once, in connection with import restrictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand

(should also help to obtain the historic criticism of it that has materialized since back then)

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by pas on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:36AM (#34568479)
Can FB even do anything meaningful against "an active genocide"?

It's important to assign some responsibility to those who have/had the ability to prevent it, but it's not clear to me that FB could have prevented it.

In close races like the US presidential election it's plausible that FB was the deciding factor, but places where genocides happen are not known for close races.

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by jjj123 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @05:09PM (#34573304)
The question is not “how could a social network like Facebook have done any better given small tweaks to content moderation?” It’s “is Facebook fundamentally designed to create these kinds of misinformation bubbles?”

That second question is much more painful to ask if you’re an engineer at a company like this, because it means there’s no changing it from within.

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by pas on Monday January 30, 2023 @02:17PM (#34584975)
but it's also probably false with a likelihood of at least 99%

Facebook is designed fundamentally to be a social graph, a representation of people's lives, blablabla. the more time people spend representing their lives on FB, the more attached they are to their online persona/profile/connections (and the dopamine rewards through likes and engagement), the more money it makes.

misinformation bubble? who cares. if that is what people want to represent, FB provides it, sure, but it's not what it is designed for.

Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by thih9 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @09:28AM (#34568418)
There are plenty of worse companies (direct scams, sketchy loans, ponzi schemes); I’d say going there would be “going all the way”.

There are good things you can do at fb too, e.g. expand the positive areas of FB or work on removing the negatives.

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Re:Facebook drains users' cellphone batteries intentionally ... by thih9 on Monday January 30, 2023 @11:02AM (#34581483)
You misunderstood. I gave other examples of good things.

To elaborate, I said “work on removing the negatives”. If you won’t work at fb, others will. But when you work there, you actually have the power to change the place so that they do less of the stuff that you described.