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Re:Last Sane Man on Wall Street by paulpauper on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:04PM (#34559853)
A hurricane was on the way, and we had arranged to meet up for breakfast at a café near his apartment on the Upper West Side. “The market’s crazy,” Anderson said laconically. “Dogecoin is worth, like, $40 billion. In this economy, a company, regardless of whether it is complete trash, can shoot up 1,000 percent.” Anderson said he was just back from a conference in San Francisco, a rare in-person gathering of around 30 short-selling activists — “the remaining survivors,” he joked, of a market that had been crushing contrarians.

I have been following crypto for a long time. None of this stuff is going up even 100% in a day, let alone 1000%, at least not among top 500 cryptos. The market is so gassed out that nothing moves anymore. Penny stocks have more upside compared to crypto.

Then, on June 9, 2020, Anderson came across a tweet from Milton. His truck company, Nikola, had gone public on NASDAQ five days before: “I’ve wanted to say this my whole adult life; $NKLA is now worth more than Ford and [Fiat Chrysler]. Nipping on the heels of GM …”

Given that Ford and GM trade at very low multiple and have not done much in a long time, even decades, this is not that undoable...

Article lauding short-selling always have the same formula: tons of focus on a big winner, like Enron or Nikkola, ignoring or overlooking all the time short selling loses, which is a lot. Also, tons of detail spent describing the short seller's backstory, as if his childhood set the seeds for success, even though it's likely just luck/survivorship bias.

Moreover, having a big win is seldom enough to beat the market. If you allocate 5% of your capital for a short and it goes bankrupt, you only increased your total capital by 5%. Making the historical 10% average (including dividends) with an index fund is less risky and more consistent, probably.

There is more money to be made with media hype/ads, selling research reports, subscriptions, managing money, etc. than actually shorting. If shorting is so effective, why are these individuals and firms always trying to sell their services/research hmm

Re:Last Sane Man on Wall Street by bbor on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:22PM (#34560036)
I hope it’s not too rude for HN to say that you’re missing the whole point of the article.

1. Presumably that discussion took place pre-FTX.

2. I don’t think he said “1000% in a day”, just in general.

3. The article goes into repeated, extensive detail about how short selling is financially dubious and extremely risky.

4. It goes into his childhood because it’s a profile piece.

I mean this with no offense, only because I’ve been there many times: did you feel personally attacked by this guys takes on crypto/stocks/our world at large?

Re:Last Sane Man on Wall Street by paulpauper on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:42PM (#34560240)
Good points, agree. Short selling needs to be weighed with risks vs. reward. Unlimited downside is a major risk. Would not recommend it.
Re:Last Sane Man on Wall Street by 2020aj on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:17PM (#34559989)
The full article indeed discusses these shortcomings and does not make it appear that short selling is more effective. It portrays it almost as a form of activism
Re:Last Sane Man on Wall Street by rhaway84773 on Sunday January 29, 2023 @01:47AM (#34565589)
The article goes on and on about how risky shorting is and how many firms have failed.

No one thinks of shorting as a good business strategy.

That’s why when Elon Musk goes on about how shorts are these shadowy super powerful figures you know he’s completely bullshitting because shorts are among the few (only?) actors interested in downward price discovery, while the rest of the world, including governments all over, would much prefer constant price growth with the correction to be suffered by a future generation/government.