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Re:US police use digital data to prosecute abortions by 29athrowaway on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:40AM (#34555743)
Let's agree on some definitions:

1) intervention + loss of life = killing

2) killing + of a human + by a human = homicide

3) homicide + premeditation + malice = murder

In the abortion case:

- an intervention takes place resulting in loss of life = an organism is killed (1)

- the organism being killed is human. the intervention is done by a human = a homicide (2)

Now, is it murder (i.e.: is it "wrong")? it's as homicide (human killed by human) and it's premeditated. But is there malice?

There are situations where loss of life is inevitable unless an intervention takes place, and there are other scenarios. This can be used to establish whether the abortion (i.e.: homicide with premeditation) is justified or not. But it's still technically a homicide with premeditation, regardless of whether it is justified or rightful.

Re:US police use digital data to prosecute abortions by thwoawayyowser on Saturday January 28, 2023 @12:31PM (#34559538)
Woh. I didn't even know the anti-abortion people have an argument. I thought you people just wave signs and shout at the rest of us.

I appreciate the way you lay out your argument but I refuse to agree because if you're right the consequences would be too much to grapple with.

Re:US police use digital data to prosecute abortions by 29athrowaway on Saturday January 28, 2023 @01:38PM (#34560186)
So in your opinion, killing a 20 weeks Down syndrome in gestation, only because they have Down syndrome is a properly justified? Because that is the unspoken reality in 2023.

Some abortions are justified, others aren't. A compromise was done that lets unjustified abortions take place, enabling a loophole for eugenics.

If we embark in this eugenics journey, where does it stop? Should everyone with a GPA of less than 4.0 be killed? Should everyone not capable of running a marathon be killed? Should everyone with less than 1000 followers on TikTok be killed? Should everyone not able to name at least 100 Pokemons be killed?

Eugenics is wrong and we should be able to say it.

Re:US police use digital data to prosecute abortions by timbit42 on Saturday January 28, 2023 @05:39PM (#34562768)
Anyone who is Jewish or Christian should know that the Bible doesn't consider the unborn to be human until it exits the mother at birth, but until then it is potentially human. This means killing the unborn is not murder and is not immoral in itself. Strangely, Evangelicals think killing the unborn is murder. In my opinion, they like to interpret their scriptures in a way that matches their pre-conceived ideas.

For anyone who is not religious, the entire process of procreation through to birth is life. There is no point at which life begins because every part of the process is life. If any part of the process wasn't life, it wouldn't work. Everything the parent said is correct.

Re:US police use digital data to prosecute abortions by 29athrowaway on Saturday January 28, 2023 @05:56PM (#34562890)
The Jewish bible and the "Christian" (Roman Catholic) bible differ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea