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Re:“Computers enable fantasies” – the continued relevance of... by rhn_mk1 on Friday January 27, 2023 @06:59PM (#34553473)
> whether only a subset of objects have it, is kinda irrelevant:

I'm with you. The scammer doesn't care.

> The machine doesnt care about you

Uh, no. It's irrelevant to the scam. But now you're guessing at the internal feelings of an alien consciousness.

How do I know if I am not just a reflection of my environment, and my behaviour an average of superficial data of everyone around me?

Prove me conscious, and I'll start taking you seriously.

Re:“Computers enable fantasies” – the continued relevance of... by mjburgess on Saturday January 28, 2023 @06:06PM (#34562953)
>Prove me conscious, and I'll start taking you seriously.

You realise, this is the same fallacy?

You've shifted the burden of proof on to some bizarre philosophical ground so that you dont have to defend your trick magic box.

A priori, by common sense, you're conscious. A priori, by common sense, a machine is not. There lie the default burdens of proof. From this the sales person must proceed to convince me, not vice versa.

Re:“Computers enable fantasies” – the continued relevance of... by rhn_mk1 on Saturday January 28, 2023 @07:23PM (#34563498)
I don't know what's in the box. You don't know what's in the box. Yet you say it can't possibly be this - so prove it. It's really simple.

I don't have to defend the box. I defend the right to say that we don't know in the absence of facts. Common sense isn't facts, nor is it a priori.