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Re:The president of Toyota will be replaced to accelerate th... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:22PM (#34539027)
> Even if we convert the grid to 100% renewables and get rid of fossil fuels, we will still need to mine for battery materials.

But we'll no longer need to extract and burn fossil fuels, which is where the vast majority of the environmental benefit comes from. You can't say "Aside from the main overwhelming benefit, it doesn't look so good"!

Re:The president of Toyota will be replaced to accelerate th... by dahfizz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @04:40PM (#34539214)
> But we'll no longer need to extract and burn fossil fuels, which is where the vast majority of the environmental benefit comes from.

You're conflating different things. Battery production does not mean we will automatically get 100% clean energy. Gasoline in cars accounts for like 15% of the US's fossil fuel usage.

Again, batteries are energy storage. Not energy production.

This idea that batteries --> clean energy --> All negatives of batteries must be ignored is disingenuous and wrong.

Re:The president of Toyota will be replaced to accelerate th... by CydeWeys on Thursday January 26, 2023 @07:08PM (#34540691)
This shouldn't come as a surprise to you, but people advocating for the use of EVs to solve emissions problems are almost universally also arguing for lower emission sources of grid power, like solar/wind. The two go together like ducks and water.
Re:The president of Toyota will be replaced to accelerate th... by dahfizz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @07:30PM (#34540901)
Yeah, and they adopt batteries with all the same emotional attachment and they have for green energy. They consider a discussion of the problems with current battery tech as an attack on green energy itself.

It's not productive.

Re:The president of Toyota will be replaced to accelerate th... by _hypx on Thursday January 26, 2023 @07:21PM (#34540818)
Hydrogen is the same. Green hydrogen -> hydrogen vehicles. Just without the huge resource needs of battery manufacturing.