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Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ars on Monday October 27, 2008 @01:58PM (#345330)
Don't waste your time. This isn't going to work - it's far too heavy to fly. And how would you power a jet from nuclear? It makes heat, that's it. No reaction mass. Maybe steam to power a prop? Sounds unlikely.

Much better to use nuclear power for homes and electric cars, and save the liquid fuels for airplanes.

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by z303 on Monday October 27, 2008 @02:14PM (#345341)
Have you looked at Project Pluto? They built a working nuclear jet engine
Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ars on Monday October 27, 2008 @05:26PM (#345616)
I have not, but reading it now (thanks for the link) I maintain what I wrote (even though I got a lot of downmods): this is far too complicated to ever actually work.

Did you read the section on tolerances, and the temperatures? Do you really think such a thing would be reliable for day to day running on an airplane?

It's not impossible of course, but it's not practical, and it's a waste of money. Use the nuclear power on earth, and save the liquid fuels for the air.

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by z303 on Tuesday October 28, 2008 @08:14AM (#346230)
No I don't think it would be a good idea for a whole bunch of reasons but it is possible with people having taken it to the prototype stage. Like you I'd spend the money on other things
Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by josefresco on Monday October 27, 2008 @02:32PM (#345372)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

The ramjet lives on, but it's not nuclear powered, and don't they call it the 'scramjet' now?

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by hugh on Monday October 27, 2008 @04:37PM (#345550)
A scramjet (supersonic combustion ramjet) is a variation of a ramjet with the distinction being that some or all of the combustion process takes place supersonically.

(from wikipedia on Scramjet)

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ComputerGuru on Monday October 27, 2008 @03:21PM (#345460)
Did you bother reading the article? The US Army flew B-36 bombers with live, running, and fully-functional nuclear reactors on board that produced enegry and proved beyond the shadow of the doubt that it's both doable and feasible - albeit the fact that they the B-36 bombers themselves were powered by kerosene despite the availablility of nuclear power since it wasn't intended to be anything more than a proof-of-concept flight.
Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ars on Monday October 27, 2008 @05:22PM (#345607)
Did you read it? They were not powered by the reactor. They just carried a reactor on board.

Actually powering a jet from a reactor is a lot more complicated.

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ComputerGuru on Monday October 27, 2008 @07:05PM (#345731)
Did you read my comment before replying to it?

albeit the fact that they the B-36 bombers themselves ______were powered by kerosene_______ despite the availablility of nuclear power since it wasn't intended to be anything more than a proof-of-concept flight

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ars on Monday October 27, 2008 @08:27PM (#345827)
I did read your comment, but it made no sense, so I assumed it was a typo.

You wrote: "proved beyond the shadow of the doubt that it's both doable and feasible" - and at the same time that they didn't do it.

So how did they prove "beyond the shadow of the doubt" something they didn't even do?

That made so little sense I assumed you didn't realize they didn't power the engines from the reactor.

Edit: maybe you don't realize that carrying the nuclear plant is the easy part (heavy lift vehicles exist after all), powering the engines is the very hard part.

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by noonespecial on Monday October 27, 2008 @04:17PM (#345517)
To put it simply, the heated air is your reaction mass. Push cold air in, heat it so the pressure goes up, blast it out the back through a nozzle.

As mentioned elsewhere already, this is commonly referred to as a "ram-jet". The heat in such an engine usually comes from combustion, but any old heat source will do.

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by ars on Monday October 27, 2008 @05:32PM (#345624)
Heating air as reaction mass is far far more complicated then you are making out.

And that's NOT a ram-jet. Part of the thrust in a ram jet comes from the liquid fuel suddenly growing much larger as it's vaporized.

Using air directly would mean heating it to thousands of degrees. Then you need a material that can handle such temperatures (which don't exist), and still contain the nuclear fuel. And at those temperatures your fuel is molten.

When you burn liquid fuel - it burns at a thousand degrees or so, but then expands rapidly (and cools), so you don't actually have to contain anything at that temperature.

But if you heat air you do - and that's not easy.

Oh, and the entire point of ram and scram jets, is to provide oxygen without blowing out the flame (which is why it's so hard to do). That doesn't apply here.

Edit: Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket and you'll see how hard it is. And they had control of the working fluid, you are proposing plain air.

Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by noonespecial on Monday October 27, 2008 @08:48PM (#345846)
One good wikipedia citing deserves another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramjet

Nuclear powered ramjets

    Main article: Project Pluto
During the Cold War the United States designed and ground-tested a nuclear-powered ramjet called Project Pluto. This system used no combustion - a nuclear reactor heated the air instead. The project was ultimately canceled because ICBMs seemed to serve the purpose better, and because a low-flying missile would have been highly radioactive.
Re:Nuclear-powered passenger aircraft 'to transport millions' by DaniFong on Monday October 27, 2008 @05:59PM (#345671)
If one were to build a nuclear powered airplane, a jet would be quite a bad choice. Propellers would be a much better propulsion system.

Honestly, though, a hydrogen powered plane is a more likely and more physically reasonable system. Hydrogen has a very high specific energy, and energy density isn't nearly as important as weight in a plane.