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Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by freejazz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:34AM (#34532969)
"I’m not convinced."

Yeah, no surprise. You seem completely unreasonable if you posit only these three options for freakin' traffic court...

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by ethanbond on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:47AM (#34533196)
What are the others? If you contest a ticket, you either have representation or you don’t. You can either afford good representation or you cannot.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by notahacker on Thursday January 26, 2023 @10:56AM (#34533351)
I mean, not contesting the ticket is likely to be a better option than delegating your chances of not being convicted of contempt of court or perjury to the truthfulness and legal understanding of an LLM...
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by ethanbond on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:03AM (#34533476)
Sure if your objective is to minimize your own personal exposure. If your goal is to push toward a world where poor folks aren’t coerced into not contesting their tickets because they can’t afford to go to court or get representation, then maybe it is a good option.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by notahacker on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:36AM (#34533989)
I prefer a world in which people pay a small fine or make their own excuses rather than pay the fine money to a VC-backed startup for access to an LLM to mount a legally unsound defence that ends up getting them into a lot more trouble, yes.

If your goal is to ensure poor folks are pushed towards paying an utterly unaccountable service further fees to escalate legal cases they don't have the knowledge to win so the LPs of Andreesen Horowitz have that bit more growth in their portfolio, I can see how you would think differently.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by ethanbond on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:41AM (#34534102)
Yes yes, Andreessen bad and assumed negative outcomes bad, therefore my solution (nil) is just fine.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:12AM (#34533636)
> goal is to push toward a world where poor folks aren’t coerced into not contesting their tickets

Invest in a company doing this properly and not pushing a half-bakes fraud into the world. Supervised learning, mock trials. You’re proposing turning those poor folk into Guinea pigs, gambling with their freedom from afar.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by ethanbond on Thursday January 26, 2023 @11:28AM (#34533864)
This company has been doing this stuff for years. Yes this is a big step forward but it’s not from zero, as you’re suggesting. What makes you think they haven’t been doing mock trials and tons of supervised learning?

And no, I’m not. I don’t think Defendant Zero (or one, or two, or 100) should be people whose lives would be seriously affected by errors. I’m pretty sure DNP doesn’t either.

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by freejazz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:01PM (#34534520)
It's not a licensed attorney.. it can't be disbarred.. it has no legal duties to its clients. What don't you get??
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:14PM (#34534749)
> What makes you think they haven’t been doing mock trials and tons of supervised learning?

The CEO tweeting they fucked up a default judgement [1]. That not only communicates model failure, but also lack of domain expertise and controls at the organisational level.

[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/questauthority/status/16175419211...

Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by freejazz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:00PM (#34534507)
This is a false dichotomy that you are making up in order to politically justify your narrative that is otherwise completely made up nonsense best described as legal malpractice.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by freejazz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @12:00PM (#34534485)
Traffic court attorneys aren't expensive. They are actually incredibly cheap. There's also no public defenders in US traffic courts at least.
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by bluGill on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:23PM (#34537311)
Last time I checked with a lawyer about a traffic ticket he told me that it wasn't worth his time to go to court (this was the school provided free legal service and the case was just a burnt headlight that I didn't have verified fixed within a week, you decide if he should have gone to court with me or if he would have for a more complex case), but I was instructed how to present my case. I got my fine reduced at least, which was important as a student paying my own way (I'm one of the last to pay for college just by working jobs between class, so this was important)
Re:An AI robot lawyer was set to argue in court. Real lawyer... by freejazz on Thursday January 26, 2023 @02:25PM (#34537340)
Yeah, that's because he's an attorney that gets paid a lot. go to the traffic court and you'll find the ones that don't get paid a lot. That's why they are hanging out in traffic court representing litigants there.