NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scanning of Digital Versions

Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by NeuNeurosis on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:01PM (#34509389)

Wow what a horribly worded idea. I can't tell if you are trolling everyone or if you are a diehard libertarian capitalist. The implications from your suggestion would imply that regulating behavior outside of markets has never existed in the lifespan of the human race. I agree incentives are what regulate behavior but leaping from child-imprisionment is bad to we should make it legal and efficient is the only/best/reasonable solution disregards so much human legacy and sidesteps so many societal issues with normalizing this bullshit while allowing the horrible shit to live and grow. This shouldn't be normalized. Maybe child-imprisonment shouldn't exist in the first place? Why is your market based idea so easily reached for instead of taking a step back and saying this shouldn't happen under any circumstance or only in very rare circumstances? Why try and motivate behavior at the end of a cycle instead of totally doing away with the cycle to begin with?

Ideas like this show a moral bankruptcy that has become so ingrained in our Technocratic elites and we wonder why there is such a disconnection between different groups in our society.

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:23PM (#34509730)

Ideally, moral value would be signaled by market-based price discovery. Economic progress is one of creating markets for more things, not fewer. Markets for some things but not others reeks of special pleading.

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:24PM (#34509745)

> Economic progress is one of creating markets for more things, not fewer.

So, eliminating markets for people was a bad thing?

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:31PM (#34509859)

If I was forced to admit that sometimes markets were bad, then I'd have to re-evaluate our entire economic system - what if healthcare markets, gun markets, even employment markets were up for debate? Under what criteria would one even evaluate those? Moreover, how could we even tell if they were genuinely bad or good, or if the particular cultural context and social indoctrination predisposed me to think they were good through social conditioning?

Why, for example, would a market for health care be good, but a market for child-imprisonment be bad? If a market for child-imprisonment were susceptible to bad actors, perverse incentives, and bad outcomes, then it stands to reason the same could be said of all markets. That's a rather large implication, I'm sure we agree on.

If humane child imprisonment is valued by the market participants, then that's what the market will provide. If a market doesn't signal that it's important, then it's definitionally not important. That's what price signalling is all about.

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by notch656c on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:58PM (#34510266)

Kelseyfrog is trolling and enjoys using straw-man arguments to poke fun at other ideologies. I've debated with them before. Have you ever seen an ancap with pronouns in their profile lol? It's sarcasm.

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @04:37PM (#34510822)

I like debating. You don't have to believe everything you debate. I use debate to test out theories and ideas all the time. It's a great way to learn what works and what doesn't.

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by glial on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @05:10PM (#34511263)

There's a conversation in Harper's this month along these lines:

https://harpers.org/archive/2023/02/is-liberalism-worth-savi...

The conversation flits around a bit too quickly for my taste, but some interesting points are made.

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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by nobody9999 on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:51PM (#34510159)

Yeah. Let's create a legal market for human organs and start with yours.

It will be most efficient. I promise!

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