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Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by candiodari on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @02:37PM (#34509000)
You are stating private jails don't control the government. You're right, the opposite is true: government officials control private jails, which means delivering inmates and redirecting profits ...

Last big scandal about large scale wrongful imprisonment - of children, no less - the people profiting from this were:

1) Directly profiting

* the District Attorney

* 2 judges

* the director of ... of the Juvenile Probation Office

* the brother of the District Attorney, who ran the prison

2) Involved, capable of stopping the abuse, not proven to have personally profited, yet they cooperated:

* the district attorney

* a supreme court lawyer

* a supreme court justice personally

* the whole Pennsylvania supreme court

* the governor of Pennsylvania

* Pennsylvania's Judicial Conduct Board

* the FBI

3) the only parties the justice system considered guilty

* the brother of the District Attorney, who ran the prison. Note: he's still in business. The SAME business. He was convicted for a small amount, because he lied about paying off judges. He, and his brother the district attorney, are of course completely innocent of plotting for a decade to wrongfully imprison children, for profit.

The scheme continued for 7 YEARS after complaints about corruption were filed.

The profit has not been paid back.

* the lowest level judges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by gruez on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @03:50PM (#34510147)
> You are stating private jails don't control the government. You're right, the opposite is true: government officials control private jails, which means delivering inmates and redirecting profits ...

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

This gets brought up all the time as evidence of something systemic, but the linked article only mentions two judges convicted. Is there any evidence this is widespread?

Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by candiodari on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @04:24PM (#34510645)
This scandal was widespread. A LOT of people could have put a stop to it, and all but 2 were government officials. A LOT of people were warned this was happening, and sometimes went so far as to abuse it (ie. schools would threaten kids). The district attorney apologized regularly to victims.

But yeah, this sort of thing is widespread.

https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin...

https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons...

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame...

But all of the above is employees violating the law. Worse is the justice system itself abusing the law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder (the state has a duty to prosecute. This is NOT what lawmakers mean by that, yet nobody ever sees any consequences). More general this is an example of: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/pie2022_jail_churn.html

Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by gruez on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @10:02PM (#34513868)
>But yeah, this sort of thing is widespread.

>https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-...

>https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin...

>https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons...

>https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame...

I agree that these are all examples of justice system employees abusing their positions, but the examples given are slightly short of the original claim of "delivering inmates and redirecting profits", which implies some sort of concerted effort to send more people to jail for the purpose of enriching oneself. That's present in the cash 4 kids scandal, but really present when a corrections employee is mistreating prisoners. I certainly don't think the people

Re:NYC Jails Want to Ban Physical Mail, Then Privatize Scann... by candiodari on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @03:19PM (#34523593)
No I agree the problem is MUCH more the state sending people to prison for absurdly long terms without cause make the state, rather than any individual, a (usually tiny) amount of money without embarrassing politicians.

That problem is endemic, and occurs everywhere, and is also individuals enriching themselves, just a bit more indirect.

But these individuals that DO abuse the system for personal enrichment, they are the worst of all.