Re:An intutive counterexample to the axiom of choice
by syzarian on Monday January 23, 2023 @02:59PM
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Understood. I wasn’t trying to address lisper’s directly as such. My poorly stated goal was to point out that intuition regarding uncountable sets is shaky at best. There are weird results regardless of one’s views because of nonstandard models.
The reason I brought this up is because when you said that there are models of ZFC where every real is definable, those reals are only definable from outside of the model. From within that model there are still undefinable reals and hence I don't think it matters too much to the point lisper is making.
Maybe to put it another way, there is no model of the reals where within that model all reals are definable, and hence lisper's point stands.