'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy does nothing

Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by dgroshev on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:51PM (#34492320)

I don't understand why do you think it's "past its sell-by date". The wealthiest country in the world had a statewide blackout when generation dropped really mildly compared to intra-day, intra-month, and intra-season variability of solar/wind, and you just dismiss it? On what basis?

If the storage will need to be built out, then your argument about costs is disingenuous in the world without fossils, because those costs are currently masked by fossil generation.

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Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by moloch-hai on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:57PM (#34492420)

Texas, artificially cut off from the wider grid, exhibited its domestic governance failings once again. This has no wider implications for energy policy than that grid connectivity covers for multiple sins.

Need for fossil generation backing will decline naturally as storage is built out, but will take a long time to go to zero. Pretending otherwise makes bad policy. Building storage without renewable capacity to charge it from would be stupid because charging storage by fossil fuel burning would be monumentally stupid.

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Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by dgroshev on Monday January 23, 2023 @01:43PM (#34493067)

It is a nice demonstration of an impact of a fairly mild unexpected drop in generation. Renewables, as things stand, are that, all the time, on steroids.

You don't need as much storage if you have nuclear and you can't compare the two without accounting for (potentially weeks or months of) storage. "Building out storage" is not an unavoidable expense that just happens automatically, it's a requirement to have a reliable greed that is mostly based on non-dispatchable renewables, and thus a part of their cost.

Seeing how you outright ignore this point, I suspect you are arguing in bad faith.

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Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by moloch-hai on Monday January 23, 2023 @01:53PM (#34493219)

Seeing how you are promoting instead a thoroughly dead alternative that no one will ever again spend another cent of their own money on...

Good day, sir.

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Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by dgroshev on Monday January 23, 2023 @02:05PM (#34493402)

You yet again ignored the point and instead appealed to authority.

It's also factually false.

* UK approving Sizewell C for £20bn https://www.ft.com/content/11ca7193-f7d8-496f-bb90-d3270b2cf...

* about 60 reactors are being constructed as we speak https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-fu...

* the US just allocated $2.5b to support the demonstration of two advanced U.S. reactors by 2028 (X-energy and TerraPower) https://www.powermag.com/updates-on-five-big-nuclear-energy-...

* just a few days ago NuScale's SMR got approved https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nrc-certifies-first-us-sm...

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Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by moloch-hai on Monday January 23, 2023 @02:30PM (#34493728)

All public money. NuScale is a particularly egregious example.

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