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Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by manuelabeledo on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:13AM (#34489722)
> US has mostly solved our population aging problem with having fairly open immigration and high immigration numbers relative to the rest of the developed/rich world

I'm not sure about that. For starters, it's easier to immigrate to Germany or the UK than to the US, and by percentage of the population, Germany does host a higher number of immigrants.

The US does accept more foreigners yearly, but it makes it a long way, if any, to stay in the country permanently.

Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by codekansas on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:32AM (#34489991)
A key difference is jus soli citizenship in the Americas, if you're born here you're a citizen
Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by steveBK123 on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:31PM (#34492011)
Yup, we don't have permanent citizen sub-classes like Koreans in Japan who end up being neither Korean nor Japanese even multiple generations in.
Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by eldaisfish on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:40AM (#34490082)
Skills. The US hoovers up the world’s skilled immigrants. Germany - like much of the non-english speaking world is left with the scraps.

Don’t take it from me, look at what the German government is doing with allowing foreigners to immigrate there. When a country throws open its doors the way Germany has, you must ask the question - why?

Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by m0llusk on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:18PM (#34491823)
Population crash, that's why. You can choose not to have kids but enterprises cannot choose to not have employees. People can be taught new skills.
Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by nemo44x on Monday January 23, 2023 @11:20AM (#34490764)
Maybe legally but we literally have millions of people that come here to work every year and are not documented. Nearly 3 million last year and although there are many refugees that are here for help, it's mainly people that want to work in everything from kitchens, the landscaping, to construction, to farming, to whatever else can make use of people that want to work hard every day at a manual job and show up.
Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by steveBK123 on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:04PM (#34491610)
I suspect EU country vs US comparisons get thrown off as well by EU freedom of movement vs US interstate mobility. We should probably be looking at aggregate EU immigration from non-EU nations when comparing to other developed countries.

Someone born in France but lives in Germany vs someone born in New York but lives in California are both similarly easy from a legal standpoint. However counting the Frenchman in Germany as an immigrant seems kind of dubious given that's kind of the point of the EU.

Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by mardifoufs on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:50PM (#34492314)
That's only true if you are educated and from the west. Otherwise, it's much harder to legally (or illegally) immigrate to germany. The USA is a lot more open to immigrants, and in my experience, there is more xenophobia/racism towards non-western immigrants in germany.
Re:Japan: The Harbinger State by manuelabeledo on Monday January 23, 2023 @02:41PM (#34493872)
I'm not comparing Germany to the US from a societal standpoint, but their legal immigration frameworks.

For instance, the US has immigration quotas for pretty much everything, thus the backlogs that resulted in Chinese and Indian born people to wait for a decade or more to achieve their permanent residency status. The process is also extremely complex and, as a result of that, it is quite expensive, in the order of thousands of dollars.