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Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by Tade0 on Monday January 23, 2023 @08:39AM (#34488573)
Li-ion batteries don't contain rare earths.

Recycling li-ion is currently a booming business because it requires much less energy than processing raw ores - see Redwood Materials for more info.

Everyone takes these calculations into account because batteries come under intense scrutiny from people with ulterior motives.

Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday January 23, 2023 @08:45AM (#34488634)
I can't wrap my head around how much lithium or other rare earth metals will need to be mined to transition entirely to solar, wind, and electric cars. What countries are these mined in? What percentage of the US grid is from wind or solar? Like 10%?
Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by diordiderot on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:45AM (#34490156)
Here is a nice infographic of one years mining output for perspective

https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/202...

Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by moloch-hai on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:48AM (#34490212)
No lithium or "rare earths" (which are not anyway at all rare) are needed for a transition to solar and wind for power.

Electric cars use lithium, just now, and a bit of rare-earths. (They are used in wiper and window motors.) Cars are their own thing, which we would be better off with less of.

Obviously before you have built out wind and solar, you don't have much yet. It is a vacuous observation. Instead, look at the rate of deployment, which follows a classic exponential curve.

Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by tuatoru on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:49AM (#34490220)
> What percentage of the US grid is from wind or solar?

That question needs to be qualified with a date and time. It's a moving target. Generally: number go up.

Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by vel0city on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:56AM (#34490351)
26% of electricity generated in Texas in 2021 was from wind. Installed wind and solar capacity has grown quite a bit since 2021.
Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by TchoBeer on Monday January 23, 2023 @03:17PM (#34494361)
what does the li in li-ion stand for
Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by WorldMaker on Monday January 23, 2023 @03:32PM (#34494557)
I don't know if you have glanced at a Periodic Table recently, but Lithium is on the far left hand side and far distant from anything marked "rare earth" much less the "rare earth metals" (which are primarily just right hand of the center-line). As element number 3 on the periodic table it's also per some basic interesting Big Bang statistics the third most common element in the universe. Admittedly most of the universe's Lithium at this point has settled into various compounds which are regularly called "salts" (a short, common name, because they are so common), though household table salt is usually Lithium's "big brother" on the periodic table Sodium, but Lithium itself is still just about as common as dirt on this planet even if don't tend to sprinkle it haphazardly on our foods.
Re:'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy ... by TchoBeer on Monday January 23, 2023 @03:42PM (#34494722)
I was misremembering how the term "rare earth metal" is used, my apologies.