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Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by fbrncci on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:22AM (#34477087)
Reducing headcount growth to a level 2 years ago, doesn't really sound that crazy in a recession. Also, headcount in tech, grew at a ridiculous fast pace over the past 3-4 years only. All these lay-offs aren't really surprising to me. What is surprising is the amount of people actually being surprised.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by sarchertech on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:42AM (#34477272)
Why though? It’s not like they need the money in the short term. They have almost $200 billion in cash. For the majority of Google’s departments the need for employees isn’t tied to demand.

Google desperately needs to find another money printer, and ostensibly they staffed up to help them do it. That hasn’t changed, and Google‘s workload won’t drop noticeably in a recession outside of a few departments.

And even in the those departments, they have so much still growing cash on hand, that they’d probably be better off to weather the storm the lay off only to rehire in a year.

Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by riskneutral on Sunday January 22, 2023 @11:30PM (#34485493)
Being the steward of $200 billion is an enormous responsibility. Just because you're sitting on a pile of cash does not mean that you can do stupid things with it and not face immediate consequences by your employers (the shareholders).
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by efficax on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:32AM (#34477167)
we’re not in a recession
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by icedchai on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:42AM (#34477277)
CNBC talking heads, economists, etc. have been calling for one. Better to prepare now. By the time the recession is confirmed it will probably be over anyway.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by UncleMeat on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:59AM (#34477447)
We've been "preparing" for a recession for a year. Since then, we've seen low unemployment, flattening inflation, GDP growth, and wage growth in the US. It really is starting to look like the "soft landing" is working.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by nostrebored on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:48AM (#34477324)
This will be an entrenched recession. We can’t do QE without exacerbating inflation and we can’t tighten without being unable to service debt.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by crowbahr on Monday January 23, 2023 @12:07AM (#34485716)
The problem is the QE didn't stop in 2016 like it should have.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by gumby on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:26AM (#34477123)
What recession?
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by broast on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:45AM (#34477293)
The actual technical recession that started in Summer 2022 and then ended the next quarter could still have lingering effects, couldn't it?
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by bregma on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:52AM (#34477379)
A recession is defined as three consecutive quarters of negative growth. A single quarter of negative growth doe not meet that definition. Even technically.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by rvz on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:04AM (#34477489)
> A recession is defined as three consecutive quarters of negative growth.

Source?

Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by gumby on Sunday January 22, 2023 @03:31PM (#34481885)
Generally, two succesive quarters, though the official determination in the US is made by the NBER

https://www.bea.gov/help/glossary/recession

Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by rvz on Monday January 23, 2023 @03:19AM (#34486626)
> Generally, two succesive quarters,

Exactly. There is no source for the unsubstantiated 'three successive quarters' claim.

> though the official determination in the US is made by the NBER

I would not wait for an entity to determine and tell us if it is too late. Hence why businesses are preparing now, even when they should have done in November 2021.

And of course, I am not saying this in hindsight either, since the warning signs were there in [0] and finally when it happened [1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29508238

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33185591

Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by matwood on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:43AM (#34477281)
While we're not in a recession, I agree with your point. It sucks for the people it happened to, but the big tech layoffs so far have been minor compared the headcount growth the last couple of years. Economy wide, unemployment is at record lows. Step outside big tech and companies are still struggling to find talent.

There's also an argument that big tech keeping a bunch of people on payroll when they don't need to slows down overall growth in the industry as it makes it harder for startups to find talent.

Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by bubbabojangles on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:03AM (#34477485)
Correct, yet the conditions do exist that point to a potential recession in the next 6-12 months. The stock market reactions and business reactions are forward looking. Even just the specter of a recession (not to mention the raising interest rates and sticky inflation for certain goods/ housing) can impact behaviors and allow business activity to slow enough for one to occur, sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. I'd imagine the Fed is not pleased that companies are hording talent and mis-allocating capital in this way (high wage inflation) to retain them (unnaturally). The wages and salaries are artificially inflated, built up over the last decade of near 0% interest rates. The Fed will persist at slowing business activity until the point it breaks. There is 3.5% unemployment in general in the US but within software developers it is more like 2.2%. Once a developer is let go, more/less they immediately find work. This is only partially what the Fed wants. It is good to curb the demand by freeing up these workers but they want real unemployment to rise before they will start to ease.
Re:Show HN: Billionaire Activist Investor calling for more l... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:49AM (#34477337)
Why is recession relevant when the company is raking it in?

Is the management of google so incompetent they cannot find a profitable application to a large part of their workforce?