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Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by brookst on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:24AM (#34464353)
I think “strongest” refers to the Gates/Buffet bet at the beginning of the article. There is no die you can pick that will give you an advantage over someone who picks second.

Contrast with a scenario where two dice are our normal 1-6 flavor and one die is all 6’s. In that case the all-6 die is stronger because it doesn’t matter which other dies it goes up against.

Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by thaumasiotes on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:54AM (#34464473)
> I think “strongest” refers to the Gates/Buffet bet at the beginning of the article. There is no die you can pick that will give you an advantage over someone who picks second.

But there is a die you can pick that is uniformly better than any alternative. That die is C. If your opponent is playing correctly, C will give you the optimal outcome. And if your opponent isn't playing correctly, C will also give you the optimal outcome. This is not true of the other two dice.

Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by alanbernstein on Saturday January 21, 2023 @07:04AM (#34465856)
If you pick C, and your opponent picks B, you lose 58% of the time. What is optimal about that?

> If Gates had chosen first, then whichever die he chose, Buffett would have been able to find another die that could beat it (that is, one with more than a 50% chance of winning).

It seems like you're thinking about this outside of the relevant context, which is a math problem, loosely inspired by real life games.

Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by mojomark on Saturday January 21, 2023 @11:20AM (#34467475)
Eagerly awaiting a retort to this point:)
Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by thaumasiotes on Sunday January 22, 2023 @02:35AM (#34475238)
> If you pick C, and your opponent picks B, you lose 58% of the time. What is optimal about that?

What's optimal about that is that it's the best outcome you can theoretically achieve. That's what "optimal" means.

Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by alanbernstein on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:36PM (#34480638)
Sorry, I think you're just missing the point of the article.
Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by kadoban on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:39AM (#34466704)
There is an optimal choice of die, yes. But you still lose more often than you win if you pick first.

The counterintuitive part is that the first player cannot win more often than they lose.

Re:Mathematicians Roll Dice and Get Rock-Paper-Scissors by brookst on Saturday January 21, 2023 @11:26AM (#34467525)
Perhaps better framed as “there is no optimal die until after the first player picks”.