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Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by FlyingSnake on Friday January 20, 2023 @09:50AM (#34453866)
Whatever’s happening is a prime example of how disruptions happen in tech industry. Previous giants become fossils and new incumbents take the spot. IBM -> GE -> Google etc will all follow the same trajectory towards irrelevance.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:09AM (#34454090)
I think this is an old myth that is no longer relevant. Sure, it might happen, but many companies now fully understand "the disruption game" and know how to adjust, primarily through acquisitions. The only way to break this is with more muscular antitrust, which (at least for now) seems to be happening.

For example, Microsoft is famously still doing quite well despite desktop operating systems no longer being the most important game in town. Furthermore, dominant companies actually rarely get disrupted in the sense that someone comes along to take their business, it's that new markets open up that make the old business obsolete. But IBM is still the leader in mainframes, Microsoft still has dominance for desktop operating systems, Google is still dominant in search despite what feels like weekly articles about how search quality has gone down.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by monero-xmr on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:22AM (#34454279)
I met a traveller from an antique land,

Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,

Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

And on the pedestal, these words appear:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;

Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by xwowsersx on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:36AM (#34454469)
One of my favorite poems. In my language arts class in high school we could memorize poems and recite them to our teacher for up to 0.3 added to our GPA. This was one of them.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by typon on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:49AM (#34454666)
This should be framed in the the office or every CEO. Although the point of the poem is the inevitability - maybe a good reminder nonetheless.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by yamtaddle on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:08AM (#34455041)
Memento mori but for businesses.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dweekly on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:52AM (#34455902)
I like that for years (and maybe it's still there) the back of the Facebook logo sign out front was a molding and decrepit Sun Microsystems logo. It was there on purpose as a reminder that regardless of how many brilliant engineers you hire, death awaits you when complacency arrives. And if you paid attention you could find little Sun logos still lingering around the MPK campus...
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dreamcompiler on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:07AM (#34455009)
The poem that inspired the best 47 minutes in the history of television [0], which will be studied in high schools 500 years from now like Shakespeare is today.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias_(Breaking_Bad)

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by dxbydt on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:47PM (#34456816)
First time I watched Emperor's Club, I was like hey isn't this just Ozymandias ? It turned out that's a very common confusion, mined by English highschool teachers

https://www.buffaloschools.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&...

Anyway, I just chimed in to say if you really want to understand that poem, Emperor's Club is a must-watch. I still can't believe they made a whole 2 hour commercial Hollywood feature film centered around that poem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_Club

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by shagie on Friday January 20, 2023 @04:40PM (#34460338)
Elsethread I was reminded of one of my favorite collection of essays on software development. The last post in its collection is titled "Ozymandias" http://thecodelesscode.com/case/234

    I chanced upon an ancient cache of code: 
    a stack of printouts, tall as any man, 
    that in decaying boxes had been stowed. 
    Ten thousand crumbling pages long it ran. 
    Abandoned in the blackness to erode, 
    what steered a ship through blackness to the moon. 
    The language is unused in this late year. 
    The target hardware, likewise, lies in ruin. 
    Entombed within one lone procedure’s scope, 
    a line of code and then these words appear: 
    
    # TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE 
    
    The code beside persisting to the last—
    as permanent as aught upon this sphere—
    while overhead, a vacant moon flies past. 
https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminar...
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by htrp on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:23AM (#34454303)
> For example, Microsoft is famously still doing quite well despite desktop operating systems no longer being the most important game in town.

There was a period about 10-12 years ago when Microsoft was basically left for dead

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by int0x2e on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:35AM (#34454454)
Microsoft is surprisingly hard to kill. They do a little of everything, and internally act much less like one company and more like a conglomerate. This means there is more politics than needed, but also that the company can survive some pretty massive changes. Microsoft isn't perfect, but it can probably survive even if they lost their top 3 revenue generators, which I'm not sure would be true for Google or Amazon...
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by i_love_cookies on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:36AM (#34454463)
for real, everyone was saying microsoft was the new ibm
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by AYBABTME on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:28AM (#34455431)
I think in a way, MSFT is only doing fine because all the alternatives are doing awful. Google, Apple, Amazon, they're all not exactly at the top of their game. Also MSFT is in a huge dev. marketing campaign phase, so we as dev probably are exposed a lot more to their charm offensive than the rest of the population. Our perspective might be biased.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by peanuty1 on Friday January 20, 2023 @12:17PM (#34456331)
Azure launched 13 years ago in 2010. Before that, Microsoft had Windows and Office.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by FlyingSnake on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:53AM (#34454729)
> Microsoft is famously still doing quite well

IBM is also doing well by that metric and if you check, GE isn't doing too bad either¹.

Every incumbent will be replaced eventually². What really matters if these companies are at the forefront and driving innovation or not. Google at one point was at such place and so were IBM, Sun etc. Google has become a shadow of it's past and has become a place to pump up the promo packet and kill products loved by users.

1: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/GE:NYSE?window=MAX

2: https://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday January 20, 2023 @01:40PM (#34457660)
> IBM is also doing well by that metric and if you check, GE isn't doing too bad either¹.

Literally, what are you talking about? IBM and GE have both been shrinking for YEARS now. Even the graph you linked above shows GE's stock where it was in 1997. Just compare either GE or IBM to https://www.google.com/finance/quote/MSFT:NASDAQ?window=MAX

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by meesles on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:01AM (#34454003)
In general I agree that these companies retract from the forefront and maybe aren't the innovative powerhouses that they once were, however both IBM and GE do fine as businesses and will probably be around for a long time. And I think it's important we have a bit of both in the world.

The new startups produce innovation and cutting-edge tech, but we need these huge monoliths for capital-intensive projects. Google has been a driving force in laying sub-sea internet cables across Africa and South America for a good chunk of time now, enabling billions of people to come online. I don't think a small company could achieve that since it costs billions of dollars to do.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by avhception on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:14AM (#34454162)
While I think you're right and GE is a fine example, I'm not so sure with IBM. They seem to really have lost any direction or vision of what they actually want to do.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by gotorazor on Friday January 20, 2023 @11:48AM (#34455822)
GE hasn't really been doing fine since the great Recession. The GE of the mid-2000's was a behemoth. If I have to guess and adjusted for inflation, GE hasn't been this poor since the mid-80's.
Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by bumby on Friday January 20, 2023 @10:05AM (#34454044)
>Previous giants become fossils and new incumbents take the spot.

Or, alternatively, the giants focus on maintenance and "innovate" through acquiring the new incumbents.

Re:Google Announces 12K Layoffs: A difficult decision to set... by droopyEyelids on Friday January 20, 2023 @09:59AM (#34453977)
Too many of us kid ourselves about 'irrelevance'

The companies you list build a legal moat around their business (establishing some amount of monopoly) and then begin sucking taxpayer money