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Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by rbanffy on Monday January 09, 2012 @01:43PM (#3443697)
> I think This is more of a platform gripe ("I hate it that this stuff is unfamiliar to me!") than an actually valid argument

It actually went to great lengths to demonstrate how hard it is to do cross-platform development with .NET. The article describes the problems of having IDEs that rewrite makefiles in incompatible ways.

> The same could be said for someone learning Linux for the first time

Makefiles usually work. You may need to install some library through your package manager or build it yourself, but, then, you are a programmer, not an icon-dragger.

> It boils down to the fact that learning new stuff is hard and inconvenient

While learning new stuff can be hard or inconvenient, it has nothing to do with the problem the article describe. The article describe the problem of not having a clean cross-platform workflow programmers running Visual Studio and Mono Develop can use to seamlessly collaborate on the same codebase, something that's really easy for just about anything else.

Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by MartinCron on Monday January 09, 2012 @02:41PM (#3443923)
The article describe the problem of not having a clean cross-platform workflow programmers running Visual Studio and Mono Develop can use to seamlessly collaborate on the same codebase, something that's really easy for just about anything else.

This sort of non-conventional workflow has traditionally been a problem with Microsoft's developer tools. If you go too far outside the use cases they have designed for, the tools start to work against you.

I've noticed a reversal in this trend with things like ASP.NET MVC and Entity Framework. The people I know at Microsoft developer tools seem to "get it" and want to make things that are more ecosystem-friendly and less prescriptive.

This particular case (using heterogeneous tools on different platforms to work on the same codebase) isn't just difficult on .NET. Lots of people feel your pain.

Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by gm on Monday January 09, 2012 @01:50PM (#3443724)
And my point is, again, that the same can be said for platforms in the OSS world. Portability is a bitch. It's only gotten easier lately because there are less platforms to support (or how many of us code stuff so it compiles and runs seamlessly in Solaris as well?)

So if the point is to have stuff run both in Windows and Linux, then yeah, portability is a bitch.

As to makefiles usually work, they do indeed, but after potentially a lot of debugging. I've been through that myself. But the point is, .NET project files, they usually work too.

About your last paragraph, I'll just repeat what I said before: The post could have been a how-to, had it been written in the spirit of open source. It was not, though, and so it was more of a complain post.

It's all good, though. Someone will find the article and the how-to part out, which overall is a good thing.

Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by Someone on Monday January 09, 2012 @03:37PM (#3444129)
"Makefiles usually work"

1. _usually_: if you have the same system, yes. However, try building stuff on a different OS (say SunOS) and/or CPU, and that 'usually' becomes 'more often than not', at best.

2. Have you read such makefiles recently? Portable ones, especially, are not ones one writes in an afternoon (not even when using a meta- or meta-meta makefile).

Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by prodigal_erik on Monday January 09, 2012 @02:26PM (#3443870)
> You may need to install some library through your package manager or build it yourself

This is why I like systems like rpmbuild with yum, which declare not only how to invoke the build tools but which versions will be needed (as well as build-time and run-time libraries) so they can be fetched automatically.

Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by recoiledsnake on Monday January 09, 2012 @01:50PM (#3443723)
>It actually went to great lengths to demonstrate how hard it is to do cross-platform development with .NET.

Being cross-platform has nothing to do with being open source. They are totally orthogonal. The article conflates both of them.

Re:In .NET, open source does not beget open source by Herring on Monday January 09, 2012 @03:21PM (#3444073)
Open source stuff is often ported to other architectures because it's open source. The point here is using microsoft tools makes that difficult... though I'm not sure why anyone would find that surprising.