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Re:How to Swim Against the Stream: On Diogenes by aaplok on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:06PM (#34433073)
> When some strangers expressed a wish to see Demosthenes, he stretched out his middle finger and said, "There goes the demagogue of Athens."

Dies anybody know if that gesture had the same meaning as today back then?

Re:How to Swim Against the Stream: On Diogenes by barrikad on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @04:50PM (#34433613)
> In Greek the gesture was known as the katapygon (κατάπυγον, from kata – κατά, "downwards" and pugē – πυγή, "rump, buttocks"). In ancient Greek comedy, the finger was a gesture of insult toward another person, with the term katapugon also referring to "a male who submits to anal penetration" or katapygaina to a female. In Aristophanes's comedy The Clouds (423 BC), when the character Socrates is quizzing his student on poetic meters, Strepsiades declares that he knows quite well what a dactyl is, and gives the finger. The gesture is a visual pun on the two meanings of the Greek word daktylos, both "finger" and the rhythmic measure composed of a long syllable and two short, like the joints of a finger (— ‿ ‿, which also appears as a visual pun on the penis and testicles in a medieval Latin text).

From here: https://wikiless.org/wiki/The_finger?lang=en#Classical_era