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Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by progman32 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:38PM (#34422305)
Or a better teacher. The limiting factor isn't necessarily the student.
Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by chitowneats on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:40PM (#34422324)
So we should ensure equal opportunity to ice-skating lessons, in perpetuity, for all humans? Just in case?
Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by eyelidlessness on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:59PM (#34422488)
Yeah dawg! That sounds like basic decency that doesn’t cost much to anyone who’d be harmed. Also it’s a general principle of meritocracy. You can’t merit anything without access to merit it!
Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by chitowneats on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:01PM (#34422511)
LMFAO do you have any idea how much it costs to operate an ice-skating rink? How about in a place like Los Angeles, California? Apparently not.

Or you're trolling me. In that case, well done friend.

Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by eyelidlessness on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @10:32PM (#34423134)
Your objection was to equal opportunity to lessons. We’re not talking about operating ice skating rinks for the public. We’re talking about allowing all people to be taught by teachers.
Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by progman32 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:10PM (#34422583)
No, I find that position rather absurd. I'm not talking about entitlement. I was reacting to a train of thought started two posts up:

> There just was not enough time dedicated to dissecting how to parse word problem, look for patterns, map it to a framework. It was basically left to the student to figure it out in 1 week based on 3-4 homework problems.

My position is that, perhaps, it is counterproductive to tell people who have some trouble in this environment to "find another occupation" based on such a limited measure of performance. We've never defined what the occupation is in this exchange, so perhaps I'm just unintentionally talking past you. I'm certainly biased. The autodidacts I've worked with (who intentionally dropped out of the rigid, unforgiving environment of academia) have been among the biggest contributors on teams I've participated in. In environments more suited to them, they learn just as fast as folks with a more traditional background. In these instances, the occupation was fine. The teacher needed to be swapped out.

Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by robertlagrant on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @05:34AM (#34425243)
> In environments more suited to them, they learn just as fast as folks with a more traditional background. In these instances, the occupation was fine. The teacher needed to be swapped out.

You're assuming it's the teacher's fault. That will be true in some cases, but it may impossible to tell at the time. What will be true in others is that the person (like me) was far more motivated by work than academia, and university at the age of 18 wasn't appropriate.

Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by whywhywouldyou on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:42PM (#34422354)
Sometimes this is true. But sometimes the limiting factor really is the student.

In my own experience I've seen fellow students put in less than half the effort I did (I watched them copy homework assignments in groups 30 minutes before class, spend a lot of time trying to track down last years exams, etc etc), and then have the nerve to complain afterwards that the exams were too hard.

Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by xyzzyz on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:47PM (#34422398)
I’ve seen fellow students put a quarter of time on studying that I did (they spent the rest studying all the other advanced stuff that I didn’t even have time to look at), and get top scores on exams and effortlessly explain everything to us mere mortals. Life simply is not fair.
Re:In the past, I've had students call my problem sets “emot... by WalterBright on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:20PM (#34422658)
Me too. Hal Finney (that Hal) was in the dorm room next to mine at university. He could ignore class for an entire semester. Just before exams, he would pick up the textbook, spend a couple hours on it, and ace the test.

Again and again.

While Hal was one of the nicest, easy going guys I can remember, his intelligence was so far off the charts there was no way to compete with that.

Of course, sometimes I wish I was as smart as Hal, as musical as George Harrison, as handsome as Tom Cruise, as cool as Steve McQueen, but all one can do is just be glad that nature produces such people now and then. I have no desire to tear them down to my level.