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Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by pissedgenes on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:37AM (#34412197)
Interesting response from Google, signed off by all the top dogs, including Sundar — hard to not read between the lines as this being a rebuke to OpenAI and StabilityAI for letting the public have relatively unfettered access.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by AnEro on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @11:40AM (#34414717)
We have to be careful with AI, that's why us at a giant organization that demands the industry only have internal oversight (that we totally do) should handle this on behalf of everyone.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by ronsor on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @11:58AM (#34414997)
Google has chosen to designate itself as the moral guardian and insists that other companies do similar.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by causalmodels on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:29PM (#34415517)
It is a lot easier to issue rebukes than it is to actually ship products.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by RigelKentaurus on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:12PM (#34415231)
Purely reactive response to ChatGPT dominating the AI conversation lately. However, I'm excited to see what Google will release in AI this year.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by belval on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:21PM (#34415389)
Nice PR/buzzword soup they got there, the article is almost entirely devoid of substance.

The part on "Responsible AI" reminds me of the "Tethics" episode of Silicon Valley, brought to you by the people who own ~30% on the online ad market.

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by dokein on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @08:30AM (#34426377)
Usually, if it's a letter that's signed by the C-suite and reviewed by 5 layers of internal and external PR, it won't say anything interesting.

This is because, to be interesting, it has to be something unexpected.

But the job of the PR is to minimize disagreeableness.

It's rare to that something is both unexpected and minimally disagreeable. A sudden advance in medicine resulting in a cure for cancer would be both (but even then, if it were e.g. an mRNA vector some people might find it disagreeable). But a company's position on a technological advance almost never meets both [Google PR: "Google also supports cures for cancer!" Yawn.]

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by mark_l_watson on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:33PM (#34415570)
If you read past the public relations material, that is interesting stuff.

I was invited to work at Google in 2013 and it is an interesting place.

I ran a deep learning team at Capital One and I believe DL truly is transformative.

Anyway I appreciate Google, Microsoft, etc. for what they do.

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by vagabund on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @01:21PM (#34416363)
You'd think the experience of ChatGPT would have taught them that the average person isn't blindly worshipping the output of LLMs, and has the requisite critical thinking skills to keep the useful bits and discard the rest. Instead we get this belittling rebuttal highlighting the immense danger of letting the public use a service that may, occasionally, be wrong, as though humans don't encounter and discriminate incorrect information throughout every day of their lives (not least on google's own existing services). Instead of pontificating about "earning the public trust", maybe stop positioning yourself as the unassailable source of truth and give people tools that will materially improve their lives today, if you really want to follow through on your mission.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by darreninthenet on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @06:06PM (#34420815)
I do think they sort of have a point... (lay) people are used to engaging critical thinking when using computers for interactions with other people.

They aren't used to thinking about computers own output in this sort of fuzzy way as it's not been a problem until recently... I can't see how my parents could suddenly conceptualise the whole idea that their computer may be lying to them or is confidently confused and wrong.

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by antipotoad on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @10:13AM (#34427585)
I submit that people could learn, provided the model output is framed appropriately. It does come across as rather patronizing from Google. Little wonder given the company’s DNA. Also just very risk averse, which goes without saying.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by zcw100 on Thursday January 19, 2023 @05:51AM (#34438931)
Maybe this article was written by a Google AI. I don’t see an author listed.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by amf12 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @06:16PM (#34420910)
> You'd think the experience of ChatGPT would have taught them that the average person isn't blindly worshipping the output of LLMs

They aren't wrong though. Imagine Google had released LLM based chatbot first. There'd be a lot of negative coverage when (not just if) things went wrong: biases, inaccuracy, misinformation, dangerous information. With Google, people would expect to see "correct" information, and for it to not be biased, and safe.

for example, imagine if Google's bot give the recipe to make meth [1]. Every big publisher would be talking about dangers of AI, and how Google is being irresponsible. It's not just Google, you could replace Google with Microsoft and it would still apply.

With ChatGPT, it is a beta service, so users understand it can be wrong. Turn it into a product from another company and it becomes a liability issue.

[1] https://techreport.com/software/3488894/chatgpt-breaks-bad-a...

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by st00 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:33PM (#34422254)
It seems as though you've conflated the management of perception with the practice of ethical research.

Google is very rich and that enables them to control resources and build things that make them richer. They're in positive feedback loop, and their job is to protect their advantage. Yep, sometimes capitalism gets out of hand.

It's the government's job (on behalf of their citizens) to apply the brakes, and Google has become pretty skilled at managing perceptions to avoid the brakes and maintain their advantage. This document is one part of their strategy.

So, apologizing for Google on the grounds of "they'd get bad press if they shared their toys" rings a bit hollow. They've dressed up self interest as social responsibility, and exploited this weird, radical left wing moment of ours to their advantage.

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by narrator on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @12:26AM (#34423705)
I think Google is hobbled by this belief. They place their "ethics" above doing well in the market. This is evidenced by the degradation of their search results to prevent the spread of misinformation. Because of this they dropped most results that come from forums from their search results. The market will just have to correct them. They are even saying they might stop releasing research because they are worried about the ethics of their competitors. That will just be a disaster for technology. No wonder Sergei and Larry aren't that excited about the company anymore.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by nh23423fefe on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @01:24PM (#34416409)
This means nothing. AI will invade any space it can. Any use case found by any company will immediately be x-copied, and the mvp mass deployed, by competitors. The idea of responsible profit maximization is absurd. This is a shitty attempt to explain the lack of progress.

> We are so focused on safety/diversity/risk/equity/wtf that we forgot to make cool profitable stuff.

Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by dougmwne on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @05:26PM (#34420347)
To me it looks like Google never intended to turn its AI research into products. It probably sees these LLMs, that it itself was instrumental in inventing as a competitor to search and nothing that could ever get green lit as a product due to internal politics. I see OpenAI as an intentional effort to free this tech from the smothering of Google led by SV insiders in the know on what Google was sitting on.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by narrator on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @12:38AM (#34423757)
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Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by dougmwne on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @01:52PM (#34431126)
I think it is quite similar to EVs. No established player in the auto industry had any interest in developing them because it was seen as a risk to established business and partnerships. The EV1 was a great early start from 1996 that was literally crushed (see the documentary, Who Killed The Electric Car). Dealerships fight against EVs to this day. Wyoming just called for EV sales to be banned by 2035. Without Tesla sending the whole industry into a panic I just don’t think there would be any practical cars on the market today.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by oars on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @02:18PM (#34417267)
Let's see what actions they take in the coming years, instead of just words.
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by ddmma on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:38PM (#34418602)
The elephant in the room have a press release
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by foolproofplan on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:17PM (#34419314)
"Google orkspace"? So many eyes and no QA?
Re:From Google: Why we focus on AI (and to what end) by zone411 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @03:43AM (#34424708)
I hope Google/Deepmind don't become Bell Labs or Xerox PARC of the 2020s. I'm seeing very strong research papers but no commercial execution.